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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Maybe he's just bending to ask her for a light.

LOLOLOL

3,601 posted on 01/16/2010 8:02:42 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: RnMomof7
The major points of your posts have been to be personally insulting to me.. thats fine ...they spit on Jesus.

What your calling insults are your own convictions in reality,that's why you responded this way to hide them

You have degraded Jesus and all of the Saints by leaving the Catholic Church to make up your own belief system against the Church

Were the church fathers infallible?

They were speaking infallibly when they spoke of the Trinity,the Eucharist being the Actual Body and Blood Of Christ,Baptism etc..... They did not do what you did and leave the Church,they stayed within the Church in obedience to Christ,some even reformed the church within at times when needed,not run off to spread heresies like Luther did out of pride and regret the mistake he made later.

Once again I point out that transubstantiation was not a DECLARED a doctrine until 1215..before that one was free to believe what one chose to believe and still be a catholic

This is like saying Jesus was not God until the Council of Nicea.

Does that mean that the Church DID NOT already believe this? Of course it did! Jesus was worshiped during the liturgy. People prayed to Him during their daily prayers and through their actions. The Church already KNEW that Jesus was God - the Church DEFINES that He was God infallibly based on the guidance of the Spirit already at work in the Church.

Read Saint Irenaues, and the other ECF'S how the battled the heretics against the Real Presence if you foolishly believe the Church let people believe whatever they want regarding the Eucharist.

3,602 posted on 01/16/2010 8:12:10 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Another strange picture. Is that from the same place as that “Mary on the Cross” picture?

I mean, the grainy texture, the black ‘n’white, the blurriness...Looks to me like the man’s eyes are open, maybe he was wanting a closer look, or maybe he WAS bowing, I can’t tell. Who is that a picture of? And what is that a statue of? Is he a rabbi? A priest? Anglican or Catholic? Can you source this?

Is this meant to prove something?


3,603 posted on 01/16/2010 8:14:28 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: stfassisi
Nice post

Read Saint Irenaues, and the other ECF'S how the battled the heretics against the Real Presence if you foolishly believe the Church let people believe whatever they want regarding the Eucharist.

People are, of course, free to believe anything they want regarding the Eucharist. The question is, are their beliefs Catholic or non-Catholic? If non-Catholic, then they are not Church members, they are ... something else.

3,604 posted on 01/16/2010 8:19:43 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne

Hey Judy! How was your date last night?

You sounded pretty “happy” before you left.


3,605 posted on 01/16/2010 8:20:35 AM PST by the_conscience (True Americans do not insist on politically correct speech codes.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2389267/posts?page=22#22

Just browsing and look what I found. Interesting.


3,606 posted on 01/16/2010 8:28:25 AM PST by NoGrayZone
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To: RnMomof7; Iscool; wagglebee; Forest Keeper; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights

“Did you know that the original Baptist confession of faith disagreed with you”

The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith, found in updated language here:

http://www.grbc.net/about_us/1689.php

is not the original baptist confession of faith. It also doesn’t account for the being two types of Baptist - Particular and General. And example of a General Confession of Faith, from 1612, is found here:

http://www.reformedreader.org/ccc/acof1612.htm

I don’t agree with it all, either. However, there have been two camps of Baptists - Particular (because the believe in Calvin’s interpretation, with God atoning a particular group of people), and General (they believe the atonement was meant for anyone who receives it). General baptists preceded Particulars, but not by much, and the latter have outnumbered the former...at least in theory. The SBC, for example, comes from a Particular tradition, but most of the members I’ve met have been General.

A good article written from a Particular viewpoint is found here:

http://www.reformedreader.org/history/pbh.htm

“Arminianism came late to Baptists.”

Well, I’m not arminian, either. However, general baptists were at least as early or earlier than particular baptists...but with each congregation being fully independent, it is kind of hard to know. The pastor where I go claims to hold to Calvin’s PD, but preaches as if he does not...

Also, see the timeline here:

http://www.reformedreader.org/btimline.htm


3,607 posted on 01/16/2010 8:29:33 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Funny how you can know a scripture and yet always learn something new ..Thank you sister

BTW that is similar to Jesus saying He does not pray for the world, only for those God gave Him

Scripture is consistent


3,608 posted on 01/16/2010 8:30:03 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Mr Rogers

How would you describe your theology?


3,609 posted on 01/16/2010 8:32:12 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
"The Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ."

In Catholic theology the word "Sacrifice" is synonymous with the word "offering". We carry out this command of the Lord by celebrating the memorial of his sacrifice. It is the thanksgiving and praise to the Father; - the sacrificial memorial of Christ and his Body; - the presence of Christ by the power of his word and of his Spirit. We offer praise, prayers and worship, not the bloody sacrifices of the Old Testament.

3,610 posted on 01/16/2010 8:32:23 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Mr Rogers

Haven’t read the whole thing yet, but just stumbled on this article concerning FW/PD among Baptists:

“The influence of Calvinism on seventeenth-century English Baptists: theological labels need to be treated with care, for they are not, and cannot be, representative of fixed systems, totally resistant to reinterpretation according to changing context, be this temporal, geographical, or political”

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0NXG/is_2_39/ai_n6116657/


3,611 posted on 01/16/2010 8:34:01 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Judith Anne
People are, of course, free to believe anything they want regarding the Eucharist. The question is, are their beliefs Catholic or non-Catholic? If non-Catholic, then they are not Church members, they are ... something else.

You are correct.

If they are a Catholic there is very little reason for a Catholic not to know what the Church teaches regarding Eucharist in this age of communication technology.

3,612 posted on 01/16/2010 8:34:11 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Iscool
There are two separate Antiochs referred to in the Bible...

That's what I would have thought. The Seleucids were not so modest that they wouldn't have had more than one city names after themselves.

I mean look at Alexander; he had the city in Egypt, Virginia, and Lousiana named after him ...

3,613 posted on 01/16/2010 8:35:55 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

. . . ask for a light . . .

LOL. You getting to be as cheeky as I can be?


3,614 posted on 01/16/2010 8:39:51 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RnMomof7

WELL PUT. AMEN! AMEN!

Pastor Eden of my youth used to say as a Pentecostal . . .

that he was glad for the feelings when they came . . . but we were saved by faith and walked by faith—not by feelings.


3,615 posted on 01/16/2010 8:42:45 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Are Presbyterians antiSemitic, like the source of this picture?


3,617 posted on 01/16/2010 8:44:40 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: the_conscience

I had a nice time, thanks.


3,618 posted on 01/16/2010 8:45:51 AM PST by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: stfassisi; RnMomof7

... and now you make up your own belief system based on your individual SELF interpretations of a Book (the Bible) that has very little consistency with historical Christianity through the ages

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What a horrifically untrue and inaccurate assertion!


3,619 posted on 01/16/2010 8:46:09 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

One world global authority is the invention of a stiff-necked Calvinist Presbyterian, Woodrow Wilson, America’s first fascist president.


3,620 posted on 01/16/2010 8:48:29 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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