Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
My Bible tells me that Moses changed Gods mind.
And
That Jesus was touched with the feelings of our infirmities.
There are other Scriptures indicating that the above assertion is plainly false and at best grossly oversimplified.
It is part of the magnamimous mystery of The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that HE INVITES US INTO HIS REALM . . . TO CARE FOR US AS CHILDREN, INDEED, AS FRIENDS, . . . AND TO BE RESPONSIVE TO EVEN OUR PRAYERS AND THE THOUGHTS AND INTENTS OF OUR HEARTS . . . EVEN TO THE POINT OF GIVING US the desires of our hearts when our soul is fixed on Him.
HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH US IS A DANCE.
One doesnt dance with robots . . . except in a comedy show or a sci-fi horror film.
This makes good Bible study, better study than Calvin ever got trying to filter truth through Augustine. Thanks.
The Elect are with the Lord always, this is why we pray to the saints, whose bodies are in reliquaries.
What does it have to do with the resurrection of the body on the last day?
Nope...The flaw is in not believing what God said in the scriptures...
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Israel is blinded from the truth by God...They are the exception to the rule...You can't equate Israel with the muzlims in any way, shape or form...
Where is any of that within the close context? You fail by your own methodology.
That's two of 'em...How many do you need???
Two verses that don't contradict Catholic doctrine. How many more do I need?
None.
Thanks for your kind words.
I persistently endeavor to take Scripture at face value as well as digging out the hidden treasures.
The essentials are not obscure, imho.
Nor, are the essentials all THAT arguable by fair-minded reasonable folks.
imho, almost by definition, if something is THAT arguable, it’s probably not an essential.
God was not THAT incompetent [i.e. he was 0.0000 to infinity flawed—i.e. not at all] God didn’t have any trouble at making the essentials clear, in His Word.
And, it’s usually not the obscure, arguable, seemingly conflicted Scritpures that give most of us our most trouble. It’s the ones that are starkly clear and starkly simple. Love God wholly—put Him first in all things. Love others as yourself. Forgive all—all the time. Avoid unfitting carnal judgment.
The stuff so much heat and so little light is about hereon is usually varying sized piles of relative chaff.
imho.
What does it have to do with the resurrection of the body on the last day?
Well, does a saint's head which is in one of your reliquaries or in a grave hear God...How about a grave or reliquary that has only part of a body; missing a head, or just an arm bone,does that body hear God???
If that dead body hears God, that means your saint is not in heaven...If Paul's body will hear God, that means he wasn't telling the truth when he said, absent from the body, present with the Lord...
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
That verse doesn't work for you if you believe your saints are in heaven or anyone you know is in purgatory...
That does not agree with Matthew 25.
How so?
Sorry, but that's the perception I get...And apparently some of the Orthodox at FR have the same perception...
But truly I was not venturing into the Predestination v. Free Will debate. I was presenting God's blessed assurance from Scripture.
Concerning the Predestination v. Free Will debate I would say that both are true. Scriptures reveal Predestination in Prophecy and Free Will in Commandments.
A thing is True because God says it. Whether or not it is logical or reasonable to us mere mortals is irrelevant.
For he spake, and it was [done]; he commanded, and it stood fast. Psalms 33:9
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. Psalms 19:1-3
To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. - John 10:3-5
My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand. John 10:29
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9
AMEN!
And to all a good night.
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Justification is both the judgemnt and the reward.
25:34 seems to indicate that those blessed by the Father receive the inheritance and then following those who receive the blessing seem astonished to have received it. Those who worked seemed almost oblivious to what they had done.
Good phrasing.
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