that you think
that you are fooling
someone besides
the bloke in your mirror!
Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
True — Orthodox, Orientals, Assyrians are not heretics, not by any stretch of imagination. Even in the worst of relations, we considered each other schismatics, not heretics. Among various groups of Lutherans and Anglicans, we need to alight on certain groups that are so definitely not heretical — like the Anglo-Catholics and conservative Lutherans. Among others — that’s a gray area. We can say with certainty that Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons are heretics. You cannot say with great certainty about Trinitarian Christians — the Nicene Creed (or better yet, the Athanasian Creed) can be used by folks like us to determine who is a heretic. And, yet, nearly all the “Protestants” and Baptists here will affirm the Nicene Creed and what it holds, so we cannot make a blanket statement about “Protestants” or Baptists.
Your misstep is at the heart of Rome's Scriptural error.
Christ"s flock was justified on Calvary. The penalty was paid and His sheep were marked acquitted of their sins.
Rome has no control over anyone's justification. Rome can only attempt to deny what Christ has already accomplished.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." -- Romans 3:23-26
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ... Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him." -- Romans 5:1,9"And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be." -- Acts 13:39
"Justified." Past tense.
You asked if God said to create images — he DID —> that’s in the Bible see the cherubim on the ark for example. Or does the OPC Bible have more verses and books chopped out?
Amen. That's beautiful.
I agree and that it’s beautiful.
I occurs to me that my illustration above must have been lacking. So I’ll try a reality check with y’all.
Seems to me . . . that it should be easily abundantly clear . . . kind of obviously . . . that:
1. If Person “B” has been the MOST assaulted, ridiculed etc. individual on FR for years . . . and yet person “B” does not feel any need at all to be bitter or vengeful etc. . . . and is still quite able and willing to engage in rather good natured banter as well as fierce satire REGARDING IDEAS and other generalized INSTITUTIONAL factors related to RELIGION AND BELIEF . . .
that then
2. those who are FAR LESS PERSONALLY ASSAULTED ought to be able to engage in the adult contact sport of intense intellectual exchanges
ALSO WITHOUT BITTERNESS,
WITHOUT VENGEANCE
AND WITHOUT OVERT, mean-spirited PERSONAL ASSAULTS.
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Is there anything faulty about my logic above, group?
Please show us the Scripture where anyone is instructed to pray to anyone other than God.
Rome errs big-time by teaching its members to disobey God's word.
"Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God." -- Philippians 4:6
When you have dealt with your ignorance we can resume an intelligent discussion.
Locate your breath and hold it.
Amen. I read somewhere that Scripture is the school of the Holy Spirit. I like that metaphor.
You said you haven't had much contact with TULIP. If you have the time you might find Baptist pastor John Piper's excellent series informative.
Be sure to read "TEN EFFECTS OF BELIEVING IN THE FIVE POINTS OF CALVINISM"
You've become a wonderful Bible student and teacher, Harley. I learn from every one of your posts.
And my understanding of predestination and the TULIP has radically transformed the way I view myself, my Christian walk, and the world around me. Although I've been a Christian for just about 40 years now, I feel like such a babe in Christ and every day holds new knowledge of God's grace and mercies that I never fully understood before. Correct doctrine is something that changes life. That is why I harp on it so much.
Amen.
When and if the papacy ever comes to understand that fact it will be one step farther away from the idolatry it now practices.
OOOPs
I thought the slider was at the bottom of the file and that I was responding to a new post.
Sorry.
Yes, that was my understanding of the Catholic view. I have heard the term "separated brothers" used for some in Protestantism, which I take to mean that a heretic is better off (closer to the Catholic faith) than someone of a different faith altogether.
Since 20c Protestantism does not seem to even understand itself any more, I hesitate to apply the term to latter day Protestants. They are simply confused people, no comment on the present polite company.
Thank you, and yes, if Protestantism is defined as anything claiming to be Christian which is not Apostolic, then I would agree that such a group would be too far all over the place to be termed as one group. However, if we narrowed it to the Protestant Bible-believing Arminians and Calvinists with whom you regularly interact on FR, then maybe a case could be made for heresy? :)
You have a duplicitous manner of dialogue, Cronos, which is evidence of a lack of valid argument. You've been called on your cheapshot edit of my post and it's getting really lame.
I asked if God commanded men to create graven images and bow down to them in prayer.
Perhaps the reason for your inability to discuss this accurately is because you actually think God does tell us in Scripture to bow down and pray to graven images which, of course, is exactly what Rome does.
Where in Scripture does God tell us to pray to anyone but Him?
It's a really simple question, but you haven't been able to offer any answer at all. None. Zero. Nada. All you do is misquote me.
Praying to anyone but God is against God's commandment, if you care about those sorts of things.
I'm alerting a few other posters of your inept and deceitful pattern of truncating other people's sentences.
When you can gather your thoughts coherently, please show us in Scripture where God tells anyone to bow in prayer to any graven image or to pray to anyone else but Him.
Spurgeon denouned by Baptists? lol. Baptists (and others) call Spurgeon "the Prince of Preachers" so there's your answer.
But I have no clue as to what you're thinking. You obviously know as little about Baptists as you do about "elects."
Wellllllll, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, dogs and cats . . . enough fun for one evening . . .
Enough collating course guide pages as well . . . phew.
The Tempurepedic foam mattress is calling my name . . .
Good night, sweet dreams and health to all.
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