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Who are the Catholics: The Orthodox or The Romanists, or both?
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Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience

I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?

I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?


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To: Cronos
U-2012> Pesach of 2012 is 3 1/2 years or 42 months into this sabbatical cycle.

But before that is 2010. Are you ready for war in G-d's Land this year ?

Interesting -- please could you explain more? So, there will be war breaking out in Israel this year? And that would lead to 2012 and the end of days?

There are many who believe that the Psalms by their number
reflect the the year in the 20th century.

This was originally written about by J.R.Church in his book
Hidden Prophecies in the Psalms

E.g.
Psalm 17 => 1917
Psalm 48 => 1948
Psalm 110 => 2010

NAsbU Psalm 110:1 A Psalm of David.
YHvH says to Adonai:
"Sit at My right hand Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."

2 YHvH will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion,
saying, "Rule in the midst of Your enemies."

3 Your people will volunteer freely in the day of Your power;
In holy array, from the womb of the dawn,
Your youth are to You as the dew.

4 YHvH has sworn and will not change His mind,
"You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek."

5 YHvH is at Your right hand;
He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath.

6 He will judge among the nations,
He will fill them with corpses,
He will shatter the chief men over a broad country.

7 He will drink from the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He will lift up His head.

Footstool see:
1 Chr. 28:2; 2 Chr. 9:18; Ps. 99:5; 110:1; 132:7;
Isa. 66:1; Lam. 2:1; Matt. 5:35; Lk. 20:43;
Acts 2:35; 7:49; Heb. 1:13; 10:13; Jas. 2:3

Melchizedek see:
Gen. 14:18; Ps. 110:4; Heb. 5:6, 10; 6:20; 7:1, 10, 15, 17

brook see:
Lev. 23:40; Num. 34:5; Deut. 2:13f; 9:21; Jos. 12:2; 15:4,
47; 16:8; 17:9; 19:11; 1 Sam. 17:40; 30:9f, 21; 2 Sam. 15:23;
17:20; 1 Ki. 2:37; 8:65; 15:13; 17:3ff; 18:40; 2 Ki. 23:6, 12;
24:7; 2 Chr. 7:8; 15:16; 30:14; Job 40:22; Ps. 110:7;
Prov. 18:4; Isa. 15:7; 27:12; Jer. 31:40; Ezek. 47:19; 48:28; Amos 6:14

See verse three: The Chosen People will volunteer
freely in formation and they will evaporate
like the dew early in the day.

YHvH will judge the Nations and
fill them with corpses
and shatter the chief men.

When it is over He will refresh Himself
by the brook and look up.

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From the YHvH commanded Feast of Trumpets in 2008
until the Feast of Trumpets 2015 is a sabbatical cycle.

During this Sabbatical cycle as is spelled out in Joel, Acts and Revelation,
there will be Solar and Lunar Eclipses on YHvH commanded Feast Days.

Joel2:31 "The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of YHvH comes.

Acts 2:20 'THE SUN WILL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS
AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE GREAT AND
GLORIOUS DAY OF YHvH SHALL COME.

21 'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS
ON THE NAME OF YHvH WILL BE SAVED.'

Revelation 6:12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal,
and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became
black as sackcloth made of hair,
and the whole moon became like blood;

See: This link:
Solar and Lunar Eclipses in 2014/15

and this link and video

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,381 posted on 01/10/2010 11:48:30 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Natural Law; Cronos; the_conscience; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; wmfights; ...
The dead do not answer your prayers.

It's paganism to believe anyone other than the Triune God deserves your prayers, let alone answers them.

"And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.

And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?

He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?" -- Isaiah 44:17-20

No wonder the RCC ignores the Old Testament. The OT condemns its idolatry.

I suggest an experiment. Every time a Roman Catholic feels compelled to fall to his knees in prayer to a graven image he should instead pray to Jesus Christ.

See what happens. See if his mind and heart are filled more by Christ and less by the creation -- something we are all supposed to strive for every day.

"For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." -- 2 Corinthians 4:5-6

Jesus Christ's face is the glory of God. Pray for God to shine the light of this knowledge in your heart.

1,382 posted on 01/10/2010 11:51:29 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...Christians praying to assorted dead people/saints/Mary...

They're not dead.

1,383 posted on 01/10/2010 11:53:09 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Well some of those Psalms are off by a year if that’s true


1,384 posted on 01/10/2010 11:53:33 AM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The dead do not answer your prayers.

They're not dead.

No wonder the RCC ignores the Old Testament.

The next step for that Rabid Calvinist Cult is to embrace the Old Testament. All of it (hint: you'll need a non-redacted bible).

1,385 posted on 01/10/2010 11:55:06 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...the enormous, anti-Scriptural errors of the papacy.

Nonesuch.

1,386 posted on 01/10/2010 11:57:04 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: 1000 silverlings

LOL!


1,387 posted on 01/10/2010 11:58:07 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I don't understand your fascination with Machen. He's seldom quoted here.

But he IS the racist segregationist pig who founded your cult.

1,388 posted on 01/10/2010 11:58:29 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Cronos
"DrE: Nowhere in Scripture does God command anyone to construct a statue or graven image and kneel to that image in prayer."

No mention of praying to that image.

No? Lol. Please keep posting this exchange of ours. Every time it's restated, the mindlessness of the RC argument is revealed.

1,389 posted on 01/10/2010 11:59:30 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Is the RC tactic to simply repeat a lie ad nauseum, hoping to win a point through exhaustion?

I believe it is, since I see "Reformed Calvinists" doing that all the time.

1,390 posted on 01/10/2010 12:00:31 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
...praying to anyone other than the Triune God that condemns their actions.

So you never ask anyone to pray for you, nor do you pray for anyone who asks it of you, right?

1,391 posted on 01/10/2010 12:01:55 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And every prayer in all those denominations is directed to the Triune God alone.

That's absolutely false. Prayer threads on Free Republic demonstrate that falsity.

1,392 posted on 01/10/2010 12:03:42 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
And the residue thereof he maketh a god, even his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou art my god.

The Catholic Church condemns it, and as I recall, an order of nuns in Quebec were formally excommunicated for doing so.

You're simply not describing the Catholic Church.

1,393 posted on 01/10/2010 12:08:11 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Thanks. Big box Christianity can be very enticing for many brands of Christians. And Jer. 7 is worth pondering, very convicting for me personally. My idolatry is of a more subtle brand, but it’s there. May I have godly sorrow and repentance for my idolatry. Thanks again, Sunday blessings on you and yours.


1,394 posted on 01/10/2010 12:08:58 PM PST by Joya (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I suggest an experiment. Every time a Raving Calvinist feels compelled to lie about the Catholic Church she should instead pray to Jesus Christ for the strength to stop violating Exodus 20:16.


1,395 posted on 01/10/2010 12:09:52 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: annalex

“Do you imply that Christ has something against well-formed faith?”

My opinion is unimportant. God’s standard is the issue.

He has made it clear that in Christ alone is our hope of salvation. His work of salvation is complete. We bring nothing to it. We have no merit nor will we ever bring merit or works of any kind to the saving work of Christ.

The quality of our faith is immaterial if it is not faith built on this postulate: That Christ alone saves, and that we bring nothing to our own salvation.


1,396 posted on 01/10/2010 12:12:43 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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To: esquirette
His work of salvation is complete. We bring nothing to it. We have no merit nor will we ever bring merit or works of any kind to the saving work of Christ.

That is your own personal interpretation of Scripture, and you are welcome to it.

1,397 posted on 01/10/2010 12:14:59 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Well some of those Psalms are off by a year if that’s true

Perhaps it was only a message to the Gentiles.

A time to watch.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
1,398 posted on 01/10/2010 12:15:17 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Well that video was certainly interesting....I wonder how this might play into the Solar polar switch coming up that I’ve only recently taken a brief look at? Hummm. Have you investigated that or aware of possibly?


1,399 posted on 01/10/2010 12:17:07 PM PST by caww
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To: Petronski

Is the work of Christ incomplete? If not, do we bring anything to the work of redemption? If so, what do we bring, or put another way, what is possible to bring?


1,400 posted on 01/10/2010 12:18:04 PM PST by esquirette (If we do not know our own worldview, we will accept theirs.)
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