Posted on 01/05/2010 9:46:47 PM PST by the_conscience
I just witnessed a couple of Orthodox posters get kicked off a "Catholic Caucus" thread. I thought, despite their differences, they had a mutual understanding that each sect was considered "Catholic". Are not the Orthodox considered Catholic? Why do the Romanists get to monopolize the term "Catholic"?
I consider myself to be Catholic being a part of the universal church of Christ. Why should one sect be able to use a universal concept to identify themselves in a caucus thread while other Christian denominations need to use specific qualifiers to identify themselves in a caucus thread?
I think some of the store-brands come in cheaper packaging and are actually the brand name product (watered down)
The *Made In USA* could be a hoax.
I have worked in a couple of industries (snack foods and sandpaper/chemicals) where we run the same products down the same line and simply package them differently.
Sometimes the name brand packaging would be better and protect the contents better, sometimes it was simply different styling.
The proper terms are ‘Roman Catholic’ and ‘Orthodox Catholic’.
But before that is 2010: Psa 110:2 YHvH will stretch forth Your strong scepter from Zion, Psa 110:3 Your people will volunteer freely Psa 110:4 YHvH has sworn and will not change His mind, Psa 110:5 YHvH is at Your right hand; Psa 110:6 He will judge among the nations, Psa 110:7 He will drink from the brook by the wayside; Pesach of 2012 is 3 1/2 years or 42 months into this sabbatical cycle.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Psa 110:1 YHvH says to Adonai: "Sit at My right hand
Are you ready for war in G-d's Land this year ?
Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet."
{saying,} "Rule in the midst of Your enemies."
in the day of Your power;
In holy array, from the womb of the dawn,
Your youth are to You {as} the dew.
"You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek."
Gen 14:18; Psa 110:4;Hbr 5:6; Hbr 5:10; Hbr 6:20; Hbr 7:1; Hbr 7:11; Hbr 7:15; Hbr 7:17
He will shatter kings in the day of His wrath.
He will fill {them} with corpses,
He will shatter the chief men over a broad country.
Therefore He will lift up {His} head.
Well, technically, Latin and Orthodox.
The sandpaper and chemicals simply had different levels of protection for the product. The potato chips and corn chips etc. would have a micro thin layer of aluminum in the packaging to keep various electromagnetic radiation intrusion lessened, which extended the life of the product, with the interaction of that radiation (and oxygen) upon the fats, turning them into rancid tasting fatty acids. The store brands might have a shelf life of 'x', whereas the superior potato chip packaging would have a shelf life of 1.5 'x'. The potato chips are taken off the same line at the same time into the various packaging machines, so the product is identical.
Side note: the best potatoes are used for the premium wavy or ripple brands. When they are between crops and use old potatoes, they concentrate on barbeque and other heavy flavours to cover up the deteriorating product. Good for covering up spots and discolouration as well.
This is an outstanding post, Quix. I had no idea *anything* like the items you mentioned were still being manufactured in the country that invented them, ie the USA.
Well done, and thanks.
Now if only we could switch to a President who was made in the USA...
Your response is measured and useful. Thank you for the time. I did not have a chance to review until this am, so I was not ignoring such a thorough effort (plus the added sound effects, very realistic).
If I can, let me address one matter at a time just so I really understand you. As I said, I was exaggerating a bit on the “anything”, and you caught that. I didn’t take the time to exclude, say, claiming I was God and other oddities. Sorry.
But, two things stand out about your personal experience with confession. First, the sins you discuss while admittedly sinful and expressions of our failures, are not the kind of sins that take a country to destruction (the way I was referring to in the original response to you). “Yelling at Nancy” (or yelling at Renice, in my case) is real evil and as you noted motivated by a love of money (idoloatry) or, in my case, pride or covetousness. These need to be addressed, but they don’t cause the death that, say, running a prostitution ring, dealing drugs, moving illegals into the country, or murder does.
It is my impression from your answer that, by extension, the guy who is a “confessing” Catholic could find fellowship with the Catholic Church WHILE doing these things, because you did not say the sin had to stop. This seems to be what the Mexican view of Catholicism is, since even some the Catholic priests seemt to think that civil laws of the US are not legitimate and they help the illegals across and through AZ (it is a sieve). Then, the guys go to the little closet and are granted absolution for these heinous acts. It is commonly known that most of the desparados are Catholics and as long as they get final unction (after the gunfights) or confession once a year, they are considered by the Catholic Church to be Christians.
Second, you have a “personal” time to really deal with the underpinnings of sin. You say this is unusual, because most don’t get this. The guys that control Mexico (and it has degenerated into a gangland playground) just go to the closet and use the formula and are then pronounced “saved” again.
It is this perspective that IMHO seems to encourage a life of anything, as long as you sincerely handle it with the appropriate office holder. You are more thoughtful than the fellows I am referring to, who take whole countries into the sewer and then have the “backing” of the Vatican because they performed the sacraments. You made light of the Godfather movies (because they are so ugly with death and blood, so that part it correct), but you really should look at one to see just how “religious” these men are to stay “saved” by the Catholic Church. Thoughts?
That is like saying we are both human, but one of us is less human. This flies in the face of particular Churches being "true Churches."
It appears that at least some Orthodox generally reject as valid the baptisms performed by non-Orthodox. This is in contradistinction to the Catholic Church, which generally accepts non-Catholic baptism as valid (with certain exceptions to the rule).
Any baptism that does not conform to the requirement of triple immersion (whether by dunking or pouring over the entire body starting with the head) and the Triune "formula" is not proper Baptism practiced by the Church of the 1st millennium. If there is any doubt, based on lack of record or based on known practices of non-Orthodox Christians (including Latin or Latinized Catholics, but not Eastern Churches in communion with Rome), and out of the concern for the convert's soul, it is incumbent on the receiving bishop to subject the convert to proper baptism or chrismation or both.
I am not surprised that your Church accepts the baptisms of non-Catholics given that your own Church doe snot perform baptisms in the spirit of the meaning of the word baptizo which is to say immersion. I am surprised that you find Orthodox reluctance surprising,
First, we are always being lectured about how the Orthodox PEOPLE are the true guardians of Orthodox faith, so that doesn't fly on the level of first principles.
The people are the guardians of the Orthodox faith. No one individual is. The Orthodox do not give any one individual, save Christ, the sole credit for anything. Orthodox bishops count only in the Synod and the People of God (the "laity") count as a group. Eastern Churches are conciliar the way the apostles were, with no one individual lording over a groups of others.
We have our Pelosis, you have your Sarbanes. We have our Kennedys, you have your Stephanopolouses. We also have our Bishop Tobins, Archbishop Burkes, and a host of other episcopal voices who have at least spoken publicly to rebuke the heresies of individual Catholic politicians ...and apparently, you have some bishops, too, who have done something similar, although I am entirely unaware of such widely-proclaimed public pronouncements.
I have already indicated to you that I find that reprehensible and reject such ethnic chauvinism. I have personally been unaware of either one of these individual's (as I am not Greek). It is a shame that the Greek Church of America can be so hypocritical as to honor open abortionists while preaching anti-abortionist beliefs. It is hypocrisy beyond excuse and a shame that needs to be publicly condemned by Greeks, Orthodox across the board, and Catholics. Shame on the GOC of America!!!
Heb 1:3
(3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Speaking of images and what Christ images for us, Hebrews 1 came to mind.
New Orleans primarily protestant? LOL.
But, you miss the point. These are problems, no question, even if they are predominantly Protestant. But, when the countries become heavily Catholic (Yugoslavia, Bosnia, Herznagovina, etc.) they just seem to decay into a gangland style pit. And, Andreotti was essentially a unconvicted mobster, was he not? And that ended how many years ago?
Not true.
But unless you were baptized in the Catholic Church and attend Mass weekly and receive the Sacraments, you are not a Catholic with a capital C.
I really don't want to get involved in this spat, but let me correct your error. The Catholic Church recognizes any trinitarian baptism (in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit [or Holy Ghost]), regardless of who performed it, as a valid sacrament that confers the grace of God. So if a baptized Protestant [or Orthodox or other Christian] (not a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness) joins the Catholic Church, such person does not receive a Catholic baptism. This convert would receive the sacrament of confirmation and admission to holy communion within the Catholic Church. And any convert, even if baptized outside the Catholic Church, is fully Catholic in every sense of the word.
Good Catholics are confirmed in the Church and attempt to understand and live according to the doctrines of the Church, insomuch as they are capable. This Catholic lifestyle includes attending Mass on Sundays and holy days of obligation and receiving the sacraments regularly (unless grave cause prohibits fulfillment of these obligations). But a Catholic also firmly commits to conduct affairs according to the doctrines of the Church (including of course a respect for the lives of fellow humans, especially innocent unborn babies).
Special provisions may apply to members of Orthodox churches who join the Catholic Church. I don't know. My understanding, which may be in error, is that they (at leat mostly) have valid sacraments, a valid claim to apostolic succession, and generally sound theology (except a few points) but are schismatic and historically somewhat excessively caeseropapist (conjoined with or even subordinate to rulers of political entities).
Right again, Dr. E. The only significant difference between Reformed Baptists and OPC’ers is probably infant baptism, and church government - certainly not issues of salvation.
The London Baptist Confession of 1689 is based upon the Westminster, and both are self confessedly subject to the Bible.
I don’t recall where you are . . . Tennessee?
Hmmmmm . . . with a claw hammer or a small log from the wood pile?
I think I’ll leave that to . . . uhhh . . . those with the more brutal instincts hereon.
lol.
Welllllllllll . . . what else does one expect from cliques who think their finiteness . . . coupled with near infinite arrogance . . . can wrap their . . . interesting . . . noggins around God Almighty’s Grace.
There is in that assertion, an inherent implication that Salvation is somehow linked to SMARTS—evidently SMARTS ENOUGH TO jump through all the magicsterical hoops, rituals, dogma, of the supremely arrogant, supremely !!!!CONTROLLING!!!!, supremely !!!!DEMANDIND!!!! cliques of the hyper !!!!TRADITIONAL!!!! Olympic class history, Bible and logic manglers.
What blasphemy to raise their INSTITUTION and accouterments to a level of equality with CHRIST’S BLOOD. That has to be one of the supreme outrages in all of Creation.
Thankfully, I am my Beloved’s and He is mine . . . as the hymn goes.
Welllllllll . . . OF COURSE!
The DOCTRINE OF HOLY DUPLICITY makes available special dispensations for those clever enough to jump through all the convoluted tunnels and monkey bars to score points going and coming and all points inbetween.
The more impossible the paradoxes and duplicities, the more gilded white hankies one’s awarded for being a good clique member.
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