Pius XII was no saint

Ottawa Citizen ^ | January 2, 2010 | Robert S. Wistrich

[Running On Empty]

Thank you

[Running On Empty]

Good post. Thanks.

[Pontiac]

Or perhaps the desire to spare German Catholics a conflict of conscience between their loyalty to Hitler, the fatherland, or their church? Whatever the reasons, this was hardly heroic conduct.

Few people seem to remember that the Vatican was in Facist Italy in WWII. The majority of Americans have also such a poor education in history that they don’t know that Hitler occupied Italy after Mussolini was killed by his own people.

These historical illiterates also seem not to realize that Hitler was not above killing priest and I have no doubt that if Pius XII had made himself too much of a nuisance to Hitler, Hitler would have had few reservations in invading the Vatican and looting it of its treasures as he did much of the museums of Europe.

Pius’s Vatican was in far more danger from the Nazis than he was of Allied bombs and he knew it.

Perhaps Pius wanted to be heroic and speak out against the deportation of the Jews to concentration camps but it was not only his life that was in jeopardy if he did. He knew this also.

Early Roman Popes had been martyrs for their faith. Pius however would not have sacrificed his life alone as did the early Popes. All in side Vatican City would have been at risk.

Pius XII could not afford to be heroic.

[narses]

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[Antoninus]

More Catholic bashing by some Jewish folks. < /sarc>

Yes, some Jews are as anti-Catholic as you are. Including, it seems, this guy.

At issue was the silence of Pius XII during the Holocaust and his indirect complicity in the Nazi mass murder of Jews. These allegations, which first emerged around 1964

Notice, he doesn't say where these "allegations" emerged from. For the record, they originated in a work of fiction--a play written by a communist. A slander, really.

[big'ol_freeper]

He shares with the wartime pontiff an authoritarian centralist world-view and a deep distrust of liberalism, modernity, and the ravages of moral relativism.

It says a lot about the author of this hit piece, and even more about someone who would post this on a conservative forum, that these attributes are considered a negative.

My advice to anyone who would post this is to take it, and their liberal inclinations, to a liberal forum where it belongs.

[Running On Empty]

:-)

[Petronski]

860,000

[Petronski]

It says a lot about the author of this hit piece, and even more about someone who would post this on a conservative forum, that these attributes are considered a negative.

The same kind of people who get their WWII history from the bowels of the KGB.

[DPMD]

We’ll decide for ourselves who our saints are.

Or should we, Obama-Holder style, go back throughout history and review the actions of those we already revere as saints?

If Judaism is so adamantly that “never again” be a reality, why not instead of presuming to insinuate themselves into Catholic proceedings, try to figure out why so many Jews voted for, and continue to support Obama.

[Running On Empty]

“...his indirect complicity in the Nazi mass murder of Jews”

This is truly slanderous.

And now, in this time in history, an attempt is being made to smear and slander Pope Benedict XVI, accusing him of being complicit with the Nazis as a 14-year old forced into conscription.

It’s all of one piece.

And those of us who defend the Pope(s) are treated in the same way the left treats the Tea party crowd and the Joe Plumbers.

[big'ol_freeper]

Frankly as a conservative if I wanted to further calumnious attacks against a saintly man I would still be embarrassed to use a piece awash with liberal spew to support my calumny. But then again I have never been inclined to be a Useful Idiot for the left or their fallen standard bearer.

[mfish13]

Maybe this guy should join the hacks on 60 Minutes. They did a hatchet job on Pius. Hell, did Roosevelt do anything like truing to bomb the rail lines that were leading to the death camps?? No, Hell no. I would call Roosevelt the Nazis President, just like 60 Minutes called Pius the Nazi’s Pope.

[OpusatFR]

Too cold to go outside today? Nothing to do other than post more calumnies?

[Petronski]

This is truly slanderous.

But surely you know that Gamecock traffics in only the finest slanders...truly first rate!

[big'ol_freeper]

Luckily all protties have to do is say a magic phrase and they are free to “sin boldly”.

[GCC Catholic]

More Catholic bashing by some Jewish folks. < /sarc>

Fixed that for you.

If you have nothing nice to say.....

[Running On Empty]

“We’ll decide for ourselves who our saints are”

Absolutely.

[stfassisi]

Hell, did Roosevelt do anything like truing to bomb the rail lines that were leading to the death camps?? No, Hell no. I would call Roosevelt the Nazis President

Exactly! FDR knew what was happening and could have stopped this much sooner.FDR and his occultists wife and staff member Henry Wallace had more in common with Hitler due to their occult beliefs

[Quix]

Hmmmmm

Perhaps the RC’s/Vatican affiliates could give us lessons in

—thin skins

—hyper reactionary-ism

—hair trigger hostility and expression thereof

—lots of other institutionalized hogwash.