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Milwaukee Archbishop: "You Can’t Call Yourself Catholic and Support Contraception"
Patrick Madrid ^ | 12-16-09 | Patrick Madrid

Posted on 12/16/2009 7:03:22 AM PST by Patrick Madrid

The incoming Archbishop of Milwaukee, Jerome Listecki, for example, has just come out publicly with a ringing affirmation of the truth of Catholic teaching about contraception — i.e., that it's a serious sin and no Catholic in good conscience can willfully contracept— this in response to yet another goofball pro-abortion front group which styles itself "Young Catholics for Choice" . . .

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1 posted on 12/16/2009 7:03:22 AM PST by Patrick Madrid
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To: Patrick Madrid

Does anyone know, roughly, what percentage of practising Catholics use contraceptives? Also, what is the stand on contraception that other Christians have?


2 posted on 12/16/2009 7:06:41 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Patrick Madrid
Big families mean more for the coffers.

If the church says "timing" is okay....that too is a form of contraception. They can't have it both ways.

3 posted on 12/16/2009 7:10:13 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Be that as it may I’ll say this as a Catholic. My son is at university. I went to the same university. I know what goes down there. I’ve told him to always use protection because I have absolutely no intent of him paying for a kid and I don’t want him to ruin his life at such a young age.

And they are wrong on things like condoms and the pill. A cell is simply a cell. It is not a baby until fertilization and things like the pill and condoms simply work to prevent fertilization.


4 posted on 12/16/2009 7:15:29 AM PST by AzaleaCity5691
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To: stuartcr
Also, what is the stand on contraception that other Christians have?

I believe for most part (at least all the ones whose doctrine with which I am familiar) that the use of contraceptives is left up to the conscience of the individual.

5 posted on 12/16/2009 7:24:33 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Sacajaweau
If the church says "timing" is okay....that too is a form of contraception.

I suppose you could say that. However, "timing" is an exercise in self-control, not a chemical way to indulge the flesh without consequences.

By the way, I am not Catholic and am not against all forms of birth control. But I admire the RC's position that God is the one who should determine if a child is conceived during the sex act, and that all human life is precious.

6 posted on 12/16/2009 7:27:44 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
. . .and things like the pill and condoms simply work to prevent fertilization.

Actually, the pill is also designed to prevent implantation of a fertilized ovum should that occur.

7 posted on 12/16/2009 7:29:43 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Patrick Madrid

Well, obviously, he’s right. We can either choose to believe what the Church teaches, or not.

If we choose not to believe, we can hardly be considered Catholic, can we?

Even from a purely naturalistic viewpoint, contraception is anti-human, as it interferes with the biological “prime directive.”


8 posted on 12/16/2009 7:33:58 AM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: stuartcr

no one can know the numbers because obviously Catholic couples are not going to come right out and discuss it since the Church is officially opposed. From third-hand circumstantial evidence though I would not be surprised if the number were more than half.


9 posted on 12/16/2009 7:34:17 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AzaleaCity5691
ruin his life

Hmmm...where I have I heard this term before in this context?

10 posted on 12/16/2009 7:36:27 AM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: narses

PING


11 posted on 12/16/2009 7:37:27 AM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Have you ever heard the term “abortifacient”? Is the pill an abortifacient? If so, how can the pill be OK if it sometimes causes an abortion?

Freegards


12 posted on 12/16/2009 7:40:51 AM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: stuartcr

Bump for later answer.


13 posted on 12/16/2009 7:43:49 AM PST by Heliand
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To: MEGoody

Thanks


14 posted on 12/16/2009 7:44:40 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I’d bet much more than half....like 90%.


15 posted on 12/16/2009 7:44:51 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: AzaleaCity5691; Sacajaweau
And they are wrong on things like condoms and the pill. A cell is simply a cell. It is not a baby until fertilization and things like the pill and condoms simply work to prevent fertilization.

I ask you to reconsider, as you misunderstand the Church's position. To use or to advocate the use of Contraception in any form is a grave sin.

The Church's prohibits contraception not because either the sperm or the egg is a person (neither is, as you noted, until fertilization).

The Church's prohibition stems from the fact that any type of contraception - condoms, the pill, &c. separates the unitive portion of the marital act from the procreative portion of the act. Either spouse choosing to contracept (with or without the other's knowledge or consent) is a violation of the other's dignity - the contracepting spouse is not giving him/herself fully to the other spouse. Likewise, this closes God out of the sexual act by deliberately rejecting their role in the Creative act of a new human being. (Similar reasoning is used as part of the argument against masturbation and homosexuality as well)

Natural Family Planning (which is not simply 'timing' or the 'Rhythm Method' of old) is not the same as contraception because it does not separate the unitive and procreative aspects of the sexual act. It allows families to PLAN the spacing of their children in a manner that is prudent given the number of other children, financial constraints, &c. Couples who have difficulty conceiving can use it to determine when they are most fertile.

Sacajaweau: It's not about big families = big coffers. In fact, most big families would have less to give (though my suspicion is that they would be more willing to give what they can).


To get an accurate understanding of the Church's teaching, I would direct you to the encyclicals Casti Connubii and Humanae Vitae as well as the Catechism of the Catholic Church (all three online). Also, Pope John Paul II explained this in the larger context of his talks on the Theology of the Body (which can be found online as a series of talks but is more easily found in one collection in book form) and in the explanatory books by Christopher West.
16 posted on 12/16/2009 7:46:27 AM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Thanks


17 posted on 12/16/2009 7:46:39 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Sacajaweau

Thanks


18 posted on 12/16/2009 7:47:34 AM PST by stuartcr (If we are truly made in the image of God, why do we have faults?)
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To: Sacajaweau; Buckeye McFrog
The suspected percentage among self-identified Catholics is estimated to be very high... probably more toward 90%.

Obviously, the percentage among Catholics who attend Mass weekly would be far less.

19 posted on 12/16/2009 7:50:04 AM PST by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: B Knotts

Almost a quarter of Americans who want to work can’t find it. I’d qualify that as an employment crisis. If my kid, who is not even legally old enough to drink, got a girl pregnant his life would become very very bleak indeed.

It looks bleak even if he finishes the degree because the economy won’t be getting better anytime soon but at least with that degree he’ll have a fighting chance.

Make no mistake. America is now at a point that if you screw up at any point along your professional development path there may be no bounceback. Especially for those born between 1986-1995 who will come into the workforce in the midst of this Depression


20 posted on 12/16/2009 7:53:48 AM PST by AzaleaCity5691
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