To: Dutchboy88
And, it denies that Paul teaches salvation by grace through faith, alone
Paul is NOT Christ. Paul has his own views of Christendom, but there are other tracts in the Bible that flatly contradict salvation by grace alone. And that theology uniquely expresses our own view that no one mortal,not even an evangelist like Paul, can fully understand the godhead and the mechanisms of God. He is too vast for one mortal to comprehend.
That is why He gave us the community of believers, The Church, to understand. When I read the Bible, I understand it not only through the Holy Spirit's help to ME (which I need as I'm just human), but the Holy Spirit's help to The Church through the centuries.
Great teachers like Tertullian, Origen, even Nestorius, made mistakes and we learn from these giants.
how do you say that we humanize anything? God is the center of our theology. We do not say we follow Calvin or Luther or Wesley or another, we follow Christ. The Bible is God's communication to us, yes, which is too vast for one tiny human brain (like mine :0), but which billions of human brains can START to comprehend.
that doesn't mean we should give up the idea of trying to comprehend, just that we should do this in communion with the entire community of believers, past and present.
61 posted on
10/28/2009 4:24:59 AM PDT by
Cronos
(Nuke Mecca NOW!!!)
To: Cronos; Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; Petronski; NYer; MarkBsnr; Alex Murphy
This is one of THE most astonishing posts ever to appear on FR. It fully and completely discloses the Catholic church’s view of itself versus the Scriptures. Paul has been relegated to the role of “tract writer”. Paul had “...his own views of Christendom, but there are other tracts in the Bible that flatly contradict salvation by grace alone.”???? You are mistaken. And this is heretical, devlish, and...typically Catholic.
Calvin, Luther and other Reformers pointed back to the Scriptures to declare the Catholic Church’s departure from the very truths that self-elevating organization claimed to have delivered to the world. No one “follows” Calvin. Your post, however, shows just how desparately speakers of truth were were needed then and are needed now.
I’ll tell you what is “too vast” for Catholics to comprehend...they are trapped in a self-serving cult of man made tradition and demonic doctrine. This post exposes their love of their own organization over the Scriptures and over truth delivered by the Apostles. We now see that the Catholic Church views ITSELF at the center of its theology, the true CENTER of the universe.
I’ll also tell you the Scriptures teach the true means of salvation, and it has nothing, repeat nothing to do with that hideous self-aggrandizing thing in the Vatican. The Bible teaches that salvation is according to pure and utter grace alone, through faith in Jesus Christ, and that not of yourselves, lest Rome boast like it this. The darkness is on the land from Rome, the Catholic Church, the Vatican or whatever name it wishes to claim.
Repent Rome, if you can.
To: Cronos; Mr Rogers; Dutchboy88; the_conscience; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Marysecretary
God is the center of our theology.If only that were true...
336 posted on
10/29/2009 3:26:27 PM PDT by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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