[Dutchboy88]

This is one of THE most astonishing posts ever to appear on FR. It fully and completely discloses the Catholic church’s view of itself versus the Scriptures. Paul has been relegated to the role of “tract writer”. Paul had “...his own views of Christendom, but there are other tracts in the Bible that flatly contradict salvation by grace alone.”???? You are mistaken. And this is heretical, devlish, and...typically Catholic.

Calvin, Luther and other Reformers pointed back to the Scriptures to declare the Catholic Church’s departure from the very truths that self-elevating organization claimed to have delivered to the world. No one “follows” Calvin. Your post, however, shows just how desparately speakers of truth were were needed then and are needed now.

I’ll tell you what is “too vast” for Catholics to comprehend...they are trapped in a self-serving cult of man made tradition and demonic doctrine. This post exposes their love of their own organization over the Scriptures and over truth delivered by the Apostles. We now see that the Catholic Church views ITSELF at the center of its theology, the true CENTER of the universe.

I’ll also tell you the Scriptures teach the true means of salvation, and it has nothing, repeat nothing to do with that hideous self-aggrandizing thing in the Vatican. The Bible teaches that salvation is according to pure and utter grace alone, through faith in Jesus Christ, and that not of yourselves, lest Rome boast like it this. The darkness is on the land from Rome, the Catholic Church, the Vatican or whatever name it wishes to claim.

Repent Rome, if you can.

[Petronski]

No one “follows” Calvin.

Belief in TULIP and all that other rot constitutes "following Calvin," since he is the one who made it all up.

[Petronski]

Paul has been relegated to the role of “tract writer”.

Hmmm, an interesting claim. And just whom do you pretend to be quoting?

[Petronski]

...man made tradition...

TULIP, five solas

...and demonic doctrine...

God created Hitler without free will and deprived him of grace so that he could exterminate eleven million people in a program of industrialized slaugher.

Orthodox Presbyterian Calvinism is the demonic little self-serving cult.

As Calvin wills.

[Cronos]

Dutchboy -- unlike those outside The Church, we don't consider Paul to be the source of scripture --> GOD is, hence we don't read Paul to exclusion as you seem to do. This side rejects all non-Paulician books in The Bible, correct?

Calvin and Luther didn't agree with each other, so how do they point back to the "original church"??

You say No one "follows" Calvin -- then why do we have groups that say they follow the teachings of Calvin and then they argue with the followers of Arminius?

Protesters fall into the error of believing that they themselves are the font of knowledge and they each interpret scripture in the own way, so leading to the Central-Western Branch of American Reformed Congregationalist Calvinist Prebyluteranism breaking away from Western Branch of American Reformed Congregationalist Calvinist Prebyluteranism because the latter has Sunday school

[Marysecretary]

Hooooo haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[MamaB]

Amen. Am doing my own research. People were becoming disillusioned with the Catholic beliefs. Some were Chaucer who is an ancestor of mine, Wm Langford, and John Gower. Another one was Sir John Oldcastle. The Lollards believed that all Christians could teach the gospel. When Margery Kempe expressed her belief that she could interpret the Bible the so called clerics at that time responded that she was possessed.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Calvin, Luther and other Reformers pointed back to the Scriptures to declare the Catholic Church’s departure from the very truths that self-elevating organization claimed to have delivered to the world. No one “follows” Calvin. Your post, however, shows just how desparately speakers of truth were were needed then and are needed now.

I’ll tell you what is “too vast” for Catholics to comprehend...they are trapped in a self-serving cult of man made tradition and demonic doctrine. This post exposes their love of their own organization over the Scriptures and over truth delivered by the Apostles. We now see that the Catholic Church views ITSELF at the center of its theology, the true CENTER of the universe.

I’ll also tell you the Scriptures teach the true means of salvation, and it has nothing, repeat nothing to do with that hideous self-aggrandizing thing in the Vatican. The Bible teaches that salvation is according to pure and utter grace alone, through faith in Jesus Christ, and that not of yourselves, lest Rome boast like it this. The darkness is on the land from Rome, the Catholic Church, the Vatican or whatever name it wishes to claim.

Amen, Dutchboy! No king but Christ!