Posted on 10/08/2009 11:03:35 AM PDT by topcat54
From James White: "Moved fairly quickly on to the comments of Chuck Smith and his co-hosts on the "Pastor’s Perspective" radio program, as found here. This just under five minute clip is a study in shallow eisegesis. It is incredible that these men who are leaders of such a large movement could be so simplistic in their traditionalism. Simply shocking. Then we took calls on a wide variety of issues. Here's the program."
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Chuck Smith ping...
Listen to the rest later
Great conclusion to his story, which bears repeating...
When an organization as large and powerful as Calvary Chapel is utterly devoid of checks and balances or doctrinal, financial, and moral accountability, the results will not be surprising: abuse, power-struggles, and the oft-unspoken fear of raising even the smallest objection to the whims of the powers that be.
God does not predestinate anyone to heavan.
It defeats the glory of his creation, the freedom of choice.
Without that, we are no better than lower-order animals and their is no Glory for God to claim, as he is in control of everything and his creation is just doing what he is forcing.
the local branch here has a pastor who remained in the pulpit after an affair, lied about it, as they were building a larger house........these people are devoid of any checks and balances
Hmm, I attend Calvary Chapel.
Interesting. I was kicked out of a CC.
Thanks for posting!
5 Solas!
Don't believe what the Bible teaches, do you?
READ YOU BIBLE SCP,HE PREDESTINES BOTH TO HEAVEN AND TO HELL:
John 6:65
And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
John 17:9
“I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
Romans 9:11
(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Romans 9:12
it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.”
Romans 9:13
As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”
Romans 9:14
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
Romans 9:15
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”
Romans 9:16
So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Romans 9:17
For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”
Romans 9:18
Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Romans 9:19
You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?”
Romans 9:20
But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”
Romans 9:21
Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
Romans 9:22
What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Romans 9:23
and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
Ephesians 1:4
just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,
Ephesians 1:5
having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
1 Peter 2:6
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, “Behold, I lay in Zion A chief cornerstone, elect, precious, And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
1 Peter 2:7
Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, “The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief cornerstone,”
1 Peter 2:8
and “A stone of stumbling And a rock of offense.” They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
MEN ARE FREE TO CHOOSE WHAT NATURE ALLOWS THEM TO.
CAN YOU WILL TO FLY LIKE A BIRD?
CAN YOU WILL TO SWIM UNDER THE WATER LIKE A FISH?
CAN YOU WILL ETERNAL SALVATION TO YOURSELF?
THE ANSWER IS NO,YOU WILL CHOOSE HELL IF LEFT TO YOURSELF,BECAUSE WE ARE DEAD IN OUR TRESPASSES AND SIN!
5 SOLAS!
God does not predestinate anyone to heavan.It defeats the glory of his creation, the freedom of choice.
"glory of his creation, the freedom of choice." -- where's that in the Bible?
Lemme guess: election is strictly corporate, predestination is on the basis of foreseen faith, and the unregenerate are "only mostly dead" in their trespasses and sins? It's up to you to get in and stay in.
This definitely looks like a job for the neeners. I'll handle the checks.
Well, don’t look at me.
Everybody knows I’m unballanced.
Hey, nice to see you back.
The nerve of the man!
Dontcha just hate heretics?
Who does he think he is, a Protestant or something?
I got the popcorn, you get the beer.
Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z'nourrwringmm!
Shalom
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