Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin

Yahoo ^ | 5 Oct 2009 | Philip Pullella

[Marysecretary]

Me, too. It won’t make any difference in my beliefs but it could be to the non-believer.

[Marysecretary]

There’s a first time for everything.

[Swordmaker]

People forever have sought signs from heaven. Why do people believe in a shroud and not a rainbow as a sign from God? Or a better question, why do people venerate a shroud and not a rainbow?

Well, it might be because we know why and how a rainbow is made... and we CAN make a rainbow. So far, including this attempt, we have been unable to make the Shroud.

[Swordmaker]

(Do they deny He existed? That He was crucified? That He was buried?)

John Dominick Crossen argues exactly that... Jesus would not have been buried. His body, according to Crossen, would have been tossed into a ditch for the dogs to eat like other crucifixion victims bodies were. Some skeptics doubt his existence. Many doubt the crucifixion.

[Swordmaker]

To what end would Christ have “imposed His image on the shroud?” For what purpose?

For what purpose did Jesus Christ appear to his disciples after the crucifixion? Leaving the Shroud behind perhaps is another form of a Gospel. A means of spreading the Word and bringing more people to God.

[Old Professer]

Well, let’s take a walk over to the Smithy’s shop where the acrid smell of burning oil and the steamy sting of hot-dipped steel sweeps off the crucible’s Hellish gleam where the immutable meets the implacable on the hour and every night the work is put away — just to wait another day.

[Old Professer]

We shan’t linger long for the night’s still strong so come along as we watch the idle hands at play.

Look there, there is a tear and over there a mourning bear, they spin about, go in and out, their motions free and gay, the fabric rips, the players trip and the master leads the clowns; tumbling out we barely hear them shout and only the lifted winds reach our ears as they slowly drown in unheard tears.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I’d love to but an “Office” rerun is on. Another time perhaps. 8~)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Are you auditioning?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

For what purpose did Jesus Christ appear to his disciples after the crucifixion? Leaving the Shroud behind perhaps is another form of a Gospel. A means of spreading the Word and bringing more people to God.

But Christ explicitly said the only sign we need is His resurrection.

If Christ thinks that is sufficient for us, I believe Him.

[Old Professer]

Being stuck on the fifth wheel of life, the idiosyncratic’s load of the ever-burgeoning democratic — forever dragged along behind...

No buckles left to swash, no dragons brave enough to show their fiery snouts to slay; no pluck to truck, too late for Hood or Tuck, our hero slinks away.

[Old Professer]

Guilty as charged; the ultimate sin. The walls around here have gone quite deaf.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Lol. That's the best one yet.

But chin up. Still dragons lurk, under foot and over head, devouring those hid under the bed.

[Robert Drobot]

....and everyone today is well acquainted with the technological advances capable of producing the Shroud at the time of our Savior's Death and Resurrection. There will come a judgment at which time He will turn His back to all deniers

An eternity of flames in exchange for fifteen minutes of temporal glory.A very blind bargain with Satan.

May this so-called scientist seek His forgiveness and publicly renounce his evil mockery before his death.

[HarleyD]

Well, it might be because we know why and how a rainbow is made... and we CAN make a rainbow.

Well, I would like to see someone attempt to make a rainbow that often stretches for miles across the skies. The purpose of the rainbow isn't for adoration. The purpose of the rainbow is to remind us of a promise of God.

And if your criteria for a relic is to imitate God's miracles, I would remind everyone that the Eygptian magicians were able to duplicate some of God's miracles with their arts. That didn't make God's miracles any less a miracle, nor did it make the magicians' art a miracle.

So far, including this attempt, we have been unable to make the Shroud.

According to this article, they have.

[Swordmaker]

According to this article, they have.

I've seen the photos of it. They haven't. Not even close.

There technique has been done before, too. Failed then, as well.

[wagglebee]

First you say something is a quote, then when I ask for a citation you try to attribute it somewhere else, then you finally admit it’s not a quote at all. Now you are calling it inconsequential?

If this is what passes for “debate” among the Machenites it’s surprising Machen’s little subsect of a sect is unable to find members.

[wagglebee]

If this is what passes for “debate” among the Machenites it’s surprising Machen’s little subsect of a sect is unable to find members.

Correction: NOT surprising.

[wagglebee]

I removed the quotations marks and STILL the words and thoughts and concepts are found in ALL the many links I offered.

Actually they aren't found in ANY of them.

[wagglebee]

So what you represented as a quote was not in fact a quote.

Purporting that something is a direct quote when, in fact, it's not even an accurate summary of a direct quote would be an example of bearing false witness would it not?