Finding Gog

Rapturealert.com ^ | 09-12-09 | Jack Kelley

[Quix]

Of the

. . . 2,000 year church era/DISPENSATION . . . ?

at least the

. . . millenium . . . ?

. . .

LOL.

[Quix]

What’s the name of that major quake predictor who seems to agree with you?

I forget.

[Uri’el-2012]

I don't predict.

I simply observe YHvH's creation.

There is a free App for the iPhone
or iTouch called Skygazer

[Quix]

Not a priority but I appreciate your interest and reports.

[ET(end tyranny)]

The sudden disappearance of millions and millions will be freaking everybody out. What better time for the great deceiver to enter the world stage? People will be wanting some kind of explanation.

Matthew 24 (KJV)
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Notice that in verse 39, the wicked who perished in the flood are described as being taken away. The wicked are taken first, not the righteous. Next, it tells us that it shall be exactly the same at the arrival of Messiah. In days of Noah, those taken first perished, and so it will be again at the arrival of Messiah. The answer given by Yehoshua refers to the vultures gathering over the bodies of the wicked, those taken first, which are all slain as the Messiah arrives.

Now, let's look at the tares and wheat:

Matthew 13 (KJV)
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Yehoshua then explains the parable in detail to His disciples:

Matthew 13
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Notice the timing of events described, and how it compares with those taken first in Matthew 24:39-42. At the end of the world, when the time for the harvest of humanity has come, it is not the righteous who are gathered first, it is the wicked! The wicked are taken and dealt with first, while the people of YHWH are still among them.

Now, read Luke 17:26-30.

Luke 17 (KJV)
26   And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27   They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28   Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29   But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30   Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Sudden destruction comes upon the wicked at the arrival of Messiah. They will all perish.

Revelation 3 (all the following are from the KJV)
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Revelation 3
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Revelation 16
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Revelation 22
7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Revelation 22
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Revelation 22
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

You can't surprise the wicked if you take away the righteous first. Messiah is supposed to come quickly, like a thief in the night, so people are to repent, live righteously and be watchful, lest they be caught by surprise. If you remove the righteous first, the wicked are going to notice and not be surprised.

Revelation 16 shows the last seven plagues being poured out on the unrepentant wicked of the earth. Through verse 12 the first six of the plagues are poured out, and then in verse 15-

Revelation 16
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Messiah has not come yet at the time of the sixth plague! Notice that the seventh plague then falls in verse 17-

Revelation 16 (KJV)
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

At the time the seventh plague is announcing the time for earth has come to an end, and the arrival of Messiah follows. So, Messiah does not come to earth until after all seven plagues have been poured out on the wicked. The faithful are not removed at any point prior to these plagues, they have endured them without fear of being affected by them.

Psalm 91 (JPS)
5 Thou shalt not be afraid of the terror by night, nor of the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Of the pestilence that walketh in darkness, nor of the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand may fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold, and see the recompense of the wicked.
9 For thou hast made YHWH who is my refuge, even the Most High, thy habitation.
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy tent.
11 For He will give His angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

Proverbs 10:30   The righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.

From what I read, there is no foundation for a pre-trib rapture or removal of the righteous at all.

I think the tribulation is the judgement. No one escapes the judgement.

Matthew 16
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Rewards aren't given prior, they are given after.

Psalm 37 (JPS)
9 For evil-doers shall be cut off; but those that wait for YHWH, they shall inherit the land.
20 For the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of YHWH shall be as the fat of lambs -- they shall pass away in smoke, they shall pass away.
22 For such as are blessed of Him shall inherit the land; and they that are cursed of Him shall be cut off.
23 It is of YHWH that a man's goings are established; and He delighted in his way.
24 Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down; for YHWH upholdeth his hand.
27 Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
28 For YHWH loveth justice, and forsaketh not His saints; they are preserved for ever; but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.
29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.
32 The wicked watcheth the righteous, and seeketh to slay him.
33 YHWH will not leave him in his hand, nor suffer him to be condemned when he is judged.
34 Wait for YHWH, and keep His way, and He will exalt thee to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
38 But transgressors shall be destroyed together; the future of the wicked shall be cut off.
39 But the salvation of the righteous is of YHWH; He is their stronghold in the time of trouble.
40 And YHWH helpeth them, and delivereth them; He delivereth them from the wicked, and saveth them, because they have taken refuge in Him.

YHWH is the deliverer, and the saviour.
Isaiah 47:4 - Our Redeemer, YHWH of hosts is His name, The Holy One of Israel.

1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Alive and remain. This indicates that some are dead and gone already. (The wicked)

It might be that during this period of being caught up in the air, is when the new earth and heaven are created.

[reagan_fanatic]

Well, somebody had to be #666.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Better you than me! lol ;)

[boatbums]

re: 666 post - glad I waited a few minutes!
Look back on the post by Giovanna #646. Very good synopsis. The rapture of the church is not the same as the second coming of Christ. Notice that in I Thess. 4 we meet the Lord in the air. He does not come to the earth. When he does return to earth the second time, we, the bride, are with him. The wicked ARE taken then for judgment. The righteous, those who are saved during the tribulation, go into the millennium in their mortal bodies. They go to the tree of life (Rev. 2:7, 22:14) within the New Jerusalem to be healed.

So you are right and the verses you posted are right as well. Your interpretation of them, though, as disproving a rapture, or the taking out of the church before the tribulation, is not correct - based on the other scriptures quoted in posts 646 and 649.

[Quix]

Excellent points, imho.

He’s promised never to forsake me.
And to take me to be more fully with HIm.

[Quix]

Crucial Scriptures, imho.

[Quix]

“In Daniel 12:1 we’re told he’ll protect Israel at the end of the age.”

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From the OP . . .

yet another proof that the REPLACEMENTARIAN et al’s

RUUBER BIBLES,
RUBBER HISTORIES,
RUBBER DICTIONARIES,

re the flushing of Israel down the sewers of history

(as a National entity of Jacob’s kids treated by God as His Chosen People)

are all false . . .

stacking false heretical blasphemous doctrine on top of
. . . . false heretical blasphemous doctrine.

[Quix]

YUP,

The most profound thing they seem ABLE to manage to do

with the URUBBERIZED SCRIPTURAL TRUTHS OF ALMIGHTY GOD VIS A VIS THE CHILDREN OF JACOB

is to throw them in the garbage . . . repeatedly.

I’m sure that IMPRESSES ALMIGHTY GOD tremendously.

[topcat54]

You seem to be ignorant of what astrologers do.

Not at all. On the contrary ...

They no longer do empirical observation, not since Kepler.

There are a number of astrological organizations that believe there is a correlation between earthquakes and planetary conjunctions based on “empirical observation.” They obviously have an axe to grind.

I’m just not aware of any refereed, scientific study that makes that connection.

[topcat54]

RUUBER BIBLES, RUBBER HISTORIES, RUBBER DICTIONARIES,

Rubber fetish time again ...

[topcat54]

BTW, I’ve been doing amateur astronomy since the late ‘60s. Not that it matters.

[Quix]

Tis those REPLACEMENTARIANS et al

compulsively addicted to reading and blasphemously adhering to the

RUBBER BIBLE,
RUBBER HISTORIES,
RUBBER DICTIONARIES

WHO HAVE

the real rubber fetish.

The rest of us just notice it and call a spade a spade.

[Quix]

I suppose then, that we’ll be seeing

long rationalized tomes about how being

moon-struck

is the reason so many REPLACEMENTARIANS et al are so convolutedly distorted in their compulsive reading of so many rubberized texts about Bible Prophecy and the END TIMES.

[topcat54]

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind

confirmation of

UNRUBBERIZED BIBLICAL TRUTH

by your standard derisiveness.

Most welcome.

[topcat54]

UNRUBBERIZED