Finding Gog

Those who labor to understand the nuances of the battle described in Ezekiel 38-39 quickly identify two major puzzles. One is the timing of the battle and the other is the identity of Gog, from Magog. Suffice it to say here that almost no scholar, certainly none I’m aware of, believes the battle of Ezekiel 38-39 has already taken place. Some believe it will occur just before the beginning of Daniel’s 70th Week, while others believe Ezekiel is actually describing the Battle of Armageddon, which would put it at the end of the Great Tribulation. But all place it sometime in our future.

In my opinion, there are several reasons why Ezekiel 38 can’t be part of the Armageddon scenario. First, only some nations are involved in Ezekiel 38. For example, Saudi Arabia and Western Europe are said to be on the sidelines observing and others you would expect to see, like Egypt and Jordan, are not mentioned at all, although both appear later on. But Zechariah 12:3 says that in preparation for the Battle of Armageddon all the nations of the Earth will come against Jerusalem.

Second, how is Israel going to burn the left over weapons for 7 years as Ezekiel 39:9 indicates unless there are 7 years left in which to burn them? Rev. 21:24. says the nations will walk by the light of the New Jerusalem in the Millennium, so they won’t need fuel for energy then. And then you have Ezekiel 38:11 telling us that Israel will be a peaceful and unsuspecting people when the Moslem coalition strikes. Could that be possible near the end of the Great Tribulation when all the nations are gathering to attack? I don’t think so.

But most importantly, Daniel’s 70th week can’t start until Israel is back in covenant with God and the battle of Ezekiel 38 is what causes the covenant to be re-instated. (Ezek. 39:22) Armageddon comes at the end of Daniel’s 70th week, not the beginning.

As for Gog and Magog, the first thing to note is that while Magog is listed in Genesis 10, Gog is not. The list of 70 names in Genesis 10 is often called the Table of Nations because each of the men named there was the original ancestor of an ethnic group that grew to become a nation of people. For instance, Magog was the 2nd son of Japeth, one of Noah’s three sons, and bore the children who in time became known to the ancient world as the Scythians. They lived in central Asia and are believed to be the forefathers of today’s Russians. Many historical references support this view. For example, Josephus Flavius wrote “Magog founded the Magogians, thus named after him, but who were by the Greeks called Scythians.” And in some ancient Arabic documents, the Great Wall of China is called the Ramparts of Gog and Magog. It was built to keep the Scythians out of China.

So while the Russian people of today are likely descended from Magog, there is no such biological connection for Gog to either Magog or any other ethnic group. There is an unrelated mention of a man named Gog, a grandson of Reuben, in 1 Chronicles 5:4 but there doesn’t seem to be any connection between him and the land of Magog either. Clearly, while Magog refers to the millions of his descendants in today’s Russia, Gog remains a single individual.

Some say he’s a king or leader, and in a real sense I think that’s true but I don’t believe he’s of the human variety. The time spanned by his three appearances in scripture make that impossible.

The first one is in the first verse of Amos 7, but you have to be reading Amos from the Septuigent translation to see it. There, Gog is identified as a king, but of a swarm of locusts. To further shroud him in mystery Proverbs 30:27 states that locusts have no king, and observers of locust swarms agree that no obvious leader directs them, as a queen would direct a hive of bees for example. The swarm of locusts led by Gog in Amos 7:1-2 was symbolic of a judgment that was to come upon the Northern Kingdom, but the Lord relented because of Amos’ intercession.

(This hint also lends insight to another appearance of locusts, by the way. I’m referring to the one in Revelation 9, where a swarm of locusts comes out of the Abyss to afflict those on Earth who lack the seal of God on their foreheads. These locusts have a king named Abaddon in the Hebrew or Appolyon in the Greek. Here again, the Proverbs passage would indicate that these locusts are of supernatural origin like the ones in Amos 7, not ordinary locusts.)

The next time Gog’s mentioned is in Ezekiel 38:1, where he is called by name as the leader of a coalition of what are now primarily Moslem nations attacking Israel. His final mention comes from the Book of Revelation where he again leads the people from Magog against the Lord’s army at the end of the Millennium (Rev. 20:8).

Even if you’re among those who place the battle of Ezekiel 38 at the end of the Great Tribulation, the span of time between Gog’s last two biblical appearances is at least 1000 years, and while I believe that some born in that era will have long life spans, there isn’t any indication that natural humans born before the Millennium begins will live to see its end. This is especially true of God’s enemies, since all surviving unbelievers are removed from Earth at the beginning of our Lord’s reign.

So I’ve come to the conclusion that Gog is a supernatural figure. The Bible clearly states that behind the human seats of government stand supernatural figures manipulating the thoughts and actions of the world’s leaders. These figures are in Satan’s employ, helping in his effort to wrest ownership of Planet Earth from its Creator. Gog is at least the supernatural figure behind the throne of Russia, and perhaps is even Satan’s counterpart to the Archangel Michael, who commands the Lord’s armies.

In Daniel 10:13 Michael is identified as one of the Lord’s chief princes who in 536 BC came to Daniel’s aid in a supernatural struggle with the Prince of Persia, a nation barely emerging on the world scene having conquered Babylon just three years earlier. At its conclusion Michael told Daniel that he’d soon be battling the Prince of Greece, a nation that didn’t even exist at the time. In Daniel 12:1 we’re told he’ll protect Israel at the end of the age. And in Rev 12:7 he’s seen leading the angelic host in a great battle in heaven when Satan is defeated there and cast down to Earth at the outset of the Great Tribulation. Michael is clearly a supernatural warrior leaping across the pages of history in defense of the Lord’s interests. It makes sense that Satan would have a military commander leading his forces as well, since everything he does seems to mirror the actions of his Creator. With his multiple mentions in Scripture and the long span of time between appearances, Gog could easily be this commander.

Only time will tell if this view is correct. But one of the great advantages of living in our day is that we won’t have long to wait till we find out. You can almost hear the footsteps of the Messiah. 09-12-09

. . . . So the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released to kill a third of mankind . . . .

200 million men on horses are going to be able to kill 2 billion+ people? Really?

NEW LIVING TRANSLATION:
15 Then the four angels who had been prepared for this hour and day and month and year were turned loose to kill one-third of all the people on earth. 16 I heard the size of their army, which was 200 million mounted troops.
17 And in my vision, I saw the horses and the riders sitting on them. The riders wore armor that was fiery red and dark blue and yellow. The horses had heads like lions, and fire and smoke and burning sulfur billowed from their mouths. 18 One-third of all the people on earth were killed by these three plagues—by the fire and smoke and burning sulfur that came from the mouths of the horses. 19 Their power was in their mouths and in their tails. For their tails had heads like snakes, with the power to injure people.
THE MESSAGE VERSION:
15-19The Four Angels were untied and let loose, Four Angels all prepared for the exact year, month, day, and even hour when they were to kill a third of the human race. The number of the army of horsemen was twice ten thousand times ten thousand. I heard the count and saw both horses and riders in my vision: fiery breastplates on the riders, lion heads on the horses breathing out fire and smoke and brimstone. With these three weapons—fire and smoke and brimstone—they killed a third of the human race. The horses killed with their mouths and tails; their serpentlike tails also had heads that wreaked havoc.
AMPLIFIED:
15So the four angels who had been in readiness for that hour in the appointed day, month, and year were liberated to destroy a third of mankind.
16The number of their troops of cavalry was twice ten thousand times ten thousand (200,000,000); I heard what their number was.
17And in [my] vision the horses and their riders appeared to me like this: the riders wore breastplates the color of fiery red and sapphire blue and sulphur (brimstone) yellow. The heads of the horses looked like lions' heads, and from their mouths there poured fire and smoke and sulphur (brimstone).
18A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues--by the fire and the smoke and the sulphur (brimstone) that poured from the mouths of the horses.

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Here, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, dogs and cats, we have another blazing example of derisive, dismissive affrontery to the UNRUBBERIZED AUTHENTIC SCRIPTURES OF ALMIGHTY GOD.

200 million men on horses are going to be able to kill 2 billion+ people? Really?

This REPLACEMENTARIAN et al perspective seems to be clearly casting derisive aspersions at the very idea so clearly stated in Scripture that 1/3 of mankind will be killed by the 200 million strong angelic calvary.

Yet again we see the same sort of spirit and attitude so present with the so called "higher" criticism group of "Biblical" "Scholars" of 100+ years ao--i.e. derision that ALMIGHTY GOD REALLY IS ALMIGHTY GOD AND CAN DO JOLLY WELL WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO HOWEVER HE WANTS TO DO IT! LOL.

I had forgotten how clear it is in Scripture that the 200 million strong calvary is angelic, supernatural.

Evidently, the fact that mere humans can murder 10's of millions with one bomb is somehow convolutedly in a different part of Alice's Rabbit Hole School Of Rubber Bible Interpretation and Theology. Evidently in that fairy-land . . . humans can kill 10's of millions with rather ancient weapons but God's angels on supernatural horses cannot.

I realize it doesn't make rational sense to hold that perspective. However, 'tis the kind of unthinking irrationality we have come to expect from the REPLACEMENTARIAN et al camp. And they rarely disappoint us.

I suppose the contention is that such riders and horses must be symbolic. I don't think so. I believe viewers will see literally just what was described. Now it may be that what was described is not 100% identical to the images REPLACEMENTARIANS et al may have in their heads when reading that description. God only knows what THOSE images might be!

However, on that likely not too distant day, I'm utterly convinced that the viewers on the scene--had they read the prophecy, will see easily how precisely the descrption literally fits what they are then seeing.

God has this habit of meaning what He says and saying what He means--whether it fits REPLACEMENTARIAN et al's rubber "Bible's," or not. Evidently it tends to be NOT!

My human side still finds this sort of seemingly glib hostility to authentic Scripture an outrageous and dangerous affront to Authentic Biblical Truth and to the Author, God Almighty.

GOD HAVE MERCY!

May lurkers and others throughtfully consider the Scriptures themselves. As a number of you have indicated via Freepmail--you are thankfully not hindered in your apprehension of authentic Biblical truth by the gross irrational silliness on the other side of these back and forth exchanges.

Thankfully, all it takes is childlike faith and taking Scripture at face value . . . and asking Holy Spirit to enlighten the treasures therein to your conscious mind and to your spirit, your heart, your body, your life. PRAISE GOD, HE IS FAITHFUL TO DO SO when there are eyes to see and ears to hear.

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