Finding Gog

Rapturealert.com ^ | 09-12-09 | Jack Kelley

[Quix]

I, too, believe that the bulk of the Scriptural evidence is that there are two Gog/Magog wars.

One at the end of the Millennium.

[Quix]

A major motivation on my side is I hate seeing lurkers left without any substantive, vivid responses to the horrific heresies folks spout who can remotely imagine that

ALMIGHTY GOD

WOULD ABANDON

HIS EVERLASTING PROMISES that HE PROMISED

TO ISRAEL, THE BLOOD CHILDREN OF JACOB,

WOULD REMAIN IN FORCE as long as there were stars.

Folks could get the idea that God’s promises didn’t amount to anything dependable. That’s blasphemous heresy, to me.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[Quix]

Thanks thanks.

I have seen the plain of Megido. Truly one of the best plains for a huge battle anywhere as, I think, Napoleon stated.

I believe that the first Gog/Magog war will be before Armageddon.

I believe it will likely be before the peace treaty and before the Abomination of Desolation.

It may be a trigger for the peace treaty.

I do not believe that Gog is a fallen angel or demon though It would not rock my theology if I turned out to be wrong on that. I think it’s likely the human, though probably demoinzed ruler of Russia, at the time—operating on orders from the covert or overt AntiChrist.

I think if it were a fallen angel etc. that there would have been more evidence toward that meaning.

Just my opinion.

[roamer_1]

That’s an excuse, not an explanation. The OT prophets were able to describe quite clearly future conditions that did not exist in their day, e.g., the method of crucifixion.

as a point of order, Why do you believe the prophets wouldn't know what crucifixion was? It was practiced in it's multitude forms by the Persians, Egyptians, and Assyrians... There is a law against leaving one "hanging on a tree" overnight in Leviticus or Deuteronomy... Crucifixion is well known into ancient days.

[Iscool]

I believe that the first Gog/Magog war will be before Armageddon.

I'm with you on that one...

[Quix]

Besides, it there were given a vision of reality then they would have seen the real thing, at least as it was depicted in the vision. Apache helicopters do not look anything like locusts or any other creature. Tanks and APC do not look like horses. M16s and AK47s do not look like swords or bows.

I somewhat agree.

However, we do NOT know, per se, WHAT PERCENT, WHAT DEGREE The Lord wanted a vision to be described

1. cryptically
2. with more details
3. fully as by a detailed experienced reporter
4. symbolically
5. symbolically and literally
6. more or less literally
7. with precise photographic literalness.

All for HIS REASONS . . . which He may or may not have said anything about.

imho, MOST END TIMES UNRubberized, true Bible prophecy is described mostly to fully literally with moderate detail . . . sometimes symbolically.

The 200 million strong army from the kings of the East is difficult for thoughtful people to wrap their minds around.

Bible scholars in past centuries assumed it was from China.

It is plausible from me that it could be China + India plus the Muslim -stans of central Asia.

Logistically . . . it seems utterly impossible to transport such a force much of anywhere--much less from China.

Yet, Scripture is quite clear that the geography will be adjusted to make way for that army.

And, folks seem to ignore the possibility that satan and his forces may have some 'transport' means, technologies . . . that would negate our currently perceived logistical problems.

I just know that WHENEVER IN THE PAST 100 YEARS PLUS . . . so called 'higher' criticism 'scholars' have insisted something in the Bible was symbolic, archeology has relentlessly proven them wrong . . . God's Biblical habit of being precisely literal has been affirmed 100's of times over and over and over and over and over.

Some months and/or years back on such a thread, the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al pontificated that the prophesied destruction of Damascus happened in A.D. 70 or some such lunacy.

That must have taken a very hung-over pile of stinking Bible mangling thinking to pretend it had any validity at all.

Scripture is very clear. Damascus will be literally utterly destroyed and never lived in again. To even pretend that one of the oldest continuously lived in cities was destroyed in 70A.D. and never lived in again . . . sounds like something from Alice's rabbit hole given UNrubberized true histories and our own viewing of videos currently from . . . Damascus.

However, the REPLACEMENTARIANS et al seem to be loathe to bother much about facts . . . whether Biblical facts or facts on the nightly news. Fascinating, that.

[Quix]

. . . . one of the reasons I mostly write for those with eyes to see and ears to hear . . .

I may not write with The Lord’s ways & reasons for using parables to obfuscate things from the RELIGIOUS rulers of 2000 years ago.

However, it appears that I tend to have some capacity to write in a way that leaves some folks unable to see a large red barn door 2 feet in front of their faces.

Fascinating, that.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind affirmation.

Does it seem to you that the first Gog/Magog could almost be . . . any day?

[marbren]

The concept of a pre Gog Magog war discussed the last few weeks in FreeRepublic is interesting. This war would take out Syria, Lebanon, Palestinians, Hamas and Hezbollah etc but not Gog Magog Iran, Turkey Russia etc allowing Israel to live in a sort of peace. This is the Battle of Psalm 83/Isaiah 17.

[Quix]

Interesting points.

Thanks.

[marbren]

Maybe this is when Damascus is destroyed forever.

[Quix]

Quite plausible, to me.

[Marysecretary]

Would it possibly be the Arab nations coming against Israel with nukes, etc.?

[Marysecretary]

They would be joining Russia in these attacks, too.

[Outership]

LOL. You are trying *way* too hard to make a fool out of yourself today. At least, I hope you are trying...

Why don’t you tell the thread who you believe the two witnesses were, who’s dead bodies were seen by the whole world laying in the streets of Jerusalem, back in 70AD?

[Quix]

I don’t know.

I don’t have any brilliant revelation on that.

Certainly the Arabs are ready to throw whatever they can at Israel whenever they think they can get away with it.

[Outership]

I haven’t forgotten that I presented a fully fleshed out interpretation of Biblical prophesies.

It can be seen here: http://tiny.cc/rPSQc

You, however, have yet to reveal what *your* interpretation of the Biblical prophesies is. The truth is, you have none, you simply like to be contrary and you get a thrill from disrupting people who are talking about the Bible.

You say Biblical prophesy was fulfilled in 70AD. OK then, why don’t you tell the thread who or what you believe Wormwood was in 70AD.

[Iscool]

Does it seem to you that the first Gog/Magog could almost be . . . any day?

They could be unlocking the launchers as we speak...

[Quix]

Why don’t you tell the thread who you believe the two witnesses were, who’s dead bodies were seen by the whole world laying in the streets of Jerusalem, back in 70AD

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