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To: Iscool

You wrote:

“But it doesn’t contain any non-believers...You got the wrong Church...”

No, I have the right one.

“Unless you can guarantee that Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi are in fact Christian believers, you got the wrong church...”

No. There have always been sinners. Any group which claims not to have sinners is not the Church.

“There are absolutely NO unbelievers in the church of Jesus Christ...”

There have always been sinners and always will be. There were always some who lost faith in Christ as well. Judas was still an apostle even though he planned to betray Christ. Simon Magus was still a baptized Christian at one poit even though he clearly fell and left the Church.

“Jesus did not establish a church to bring people to Him...”

Yes, actually He did. Hence, the Great Commission. That’s why He said “Go” to the Apostles rather than, “They’ll come to you.”

“he people that turned to Him ARE the church...”

The Church told them about Jesus FIRST.

“You got the wrong church...”

Nope. You have the wrong idea and clearly don’t know the Biblical record of the Church.


76 posted on 07/16/2009 5:54:00 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
Me---“There are absolutely NO unbelievers in the church of Jesus Christ...”

You--- There have always been sinners and always will be. There were always some who lost faith in Christ as well. Judas was still an apostle even though he planned to betray Christ. Simon Magus was still a baptized Christian at one poit even though he clearly fell and left the Church.

Sorry...I didn't say sinners...I said unbelievers...Just because someone got wet doesn't mean he/she believes in anything...And just because someone is born into a religion and attends the services doesn't mean he/she believes in Jesus...

It would be impossible for an unbeliever to be a member of the Body of Jesus Christ...Therefore, it's impossible that your religion is the One True Church...

Me--- “Jesus did not establish a church to bring people to Him...”

You--- Yes, actually He did. Hence, the Great Commission. That’s why He said “Go” to the Apostles rather than, “They’ll come to you.”

Again, you're wrong...Jesus sent the disciples into the world to preach the Good News of the Gospel...The Good News of the Gospel is not to join the church but to believe on Jesus Christ...

Jesus never said, 'Join the church'...Jesus said that people that believed on Him were added to the church...NOT the other way around...

Me--- “The people that turned to Him ARE the church...”

You---The Church told them about Jesus FIRST.

So what's that prove??? Nothing...Lots of people talk about Jesus who have not been indwelt with the Holy Spirit and are NOT in Christ...Being religious does not equal being in the Body of Christ...

You guys have said yourselves that when a nonbeliever or someone unworthily dissolves the little cracker in his/her mouth, that the operation, whatever it may be, 'doesn't take'...Even if the person has been baptized...

That right there is an admission that yours could not be the One True Church because you allow non believers into the membership of your church...There can be NO unbelievers in the 'church'...Impossible...

81 posted on 07/16/2009 9:20:53 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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