Holy See to Facilitate Expeditious Approval for the [English translation of the]Roman Missal

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[ArrogantBustard]

I've started flying the Missouri flag.

Again.

[sitetest]

Dear ArrogantBustard,

I remember back in the early part of this decade the timeline was that we'd have it by Advent 2007, and that was then so far in the future that many posted that certainly it could be done in far less time than that.

Now it's the end of 2010 and that's HURRY UP???

sitetest

[ArrogantBustard]

I suspect that the job could be handed to third-year Latin students at your local Catholic high school at the beginning of the year, and the job be done ... CORRECTLY ... by April.

[sitetest]

Dear ArrogantBustard,

“I suspect that the job could be handed to third-year Latin students at your local Catholic high school at the beginning of the year, and the job be done ... CORRECTLY ... by April.”

It is true that anyone with a few years of Latin studies isn't inclined to buy the translations of the bishops. I wonder if more than a handful of them know any Latin themselves?

My own third year high school Latin student (well, I guess now he's a rising AP Latin student) often goes to the Vulgate directly rather than deal with the NAB that his school gave him for religion class.

sitetest

[AnAmericanMother]

The NAB is a flippin' abomination. Obviously assembled by a committee with little sense and even less Latin (or Greek).

I read Greek better than Latin (had it more recently), and being raised Episcopalian I was always parsing the KJV which was translated directly from the Greek rather than through the Latin. So I tend to go to the Greek Testament and the LXX. But I'm getting better with the Vulgate!

[AnAmericanMother]

I wish they'd just make the Anglican Use Rite universal, but with a new translation of the communion rite portions that drew on the horrible current English translation.

Since I'm well read in 17th c. literature, I would bet that I and a couple of like-minded friends could sit down and do a good translation of the Latin Sarum Rite communion service in use in England before the Reformation, that would fit seamlessly into the rest of the AU Rite. At the moment, the added portions stick out linguistically like a low-IQ TV anchor beside Abp. Cranmer.

I mean, which of these guys would you trust with YOUR missal? (They kinda look alike, but I know which one had more intellectual horsepower and command of English.)

[vladimir998]

What bothers me is that there are already good translations of the Old Mass and even the Sarum Rite out there. I’m all for the AU Rite, but I agree with you, it would be better without the modern 1970 Roman Missal stuff thrown in there. The Sarum would suit me just fine. Then again, the Sarum in Latin would suit me just fine too!

Oh, well, from everything I’ve read, a better translation of the New Mass is on the way....eventually on the way. I’m glad it’s coming, but I will go to the old Mass whenever I can.

[AnAmericanMother]

I have an old missal from right around 1962 that has an EXCELLENT translation of the Latin.

I'd like to see the AUR be internally consistent, though. It really bothers me. Not that I get to actually GO to one, but I've watched it on DVD! (There's no movement here for an AUR - this is a 'low' ECUSA diocese. For awhile there were some folks meeting in somebody's living room in Dunwoody, but that seems to have fallen by the wayside.)

[Salvation]

Liturgy translations fall short of two-thirds; mail balloting needed

[vladimir998]

You wrote:

“I have an old missal from right around 1962 that has an EXCELLENT translation of the Latin.”

That’s what I always thought!

“I’d like to see the AUR be internally consistent, though.”

Agreed.

” It really bothers me. Not that I get to actually GO to one, but I’ve watched it on DVD! (There’s no movement here for an AUR - this is a ‘low’ ECUSA diocese. For awhile there were some folks meeting in somebody’s living room in Dunwoody, but that seems to have fallen by the wayside.)”

Maybe if the TAC came into the Catholic Church there would be a parish nearby? I would like that myself!

[AnAmericanMother]

Unfortunately, unlikely to happen here, for a couple of reasons.

This is a traditionally "low" diocese, i.e. it has always trended towards the white-bread protestant, evangelical wing of TEC. There were never a lot of us "high church" types here, and they tended to be concentrated in a very few parishes.

Basically what happened is that some of the liturgically 'high' parishes embraced Gene Robinson with open arms (still wondering how they could do that and call themselves 'in the Anglo Catholic tradition'). The only one that stayed both 'high' and orthodox was Our Saviour Virginia Highlands, and it is a struggling, small, aging parish without much of a future. Probably will be reduced to dependent mission status.

Rather than fight the bishop because Georgia law is not favorable to dissenting parishes, most people just left individually or in small groups. Most 'low churchers' went Evangelical or to one of the breakaway Anglican churches, which are mostly 'low'. The 'high churchers' went Catholic, but numerically there aren't enough of us in any one area in metro Atlanta to start an AUR parish. The group meeting in Dunwoody has been very quiet and may have just ceased to exist.

[Desdemona]

I've started flying the Missouri flag.

I'm not asking why. It's hot here right now.

BTW, I hear tell that Marty Haugan and the gang are busy shoehorning the retranslation into the Mass of Cremation and other musical atrocities. Heaven forbid we can't just learn the 18 Latin Masses like the rest of the world knows. By heart.

[ArrogantBustard]

I'm flying it as a sign of skepticism ...

You know: "Show me."

;'}

No offence is intended to literal Missourians.

I hear tell that Marty Haugan and the gang are busy shoehorning the retranslation into the Mass of Cremation and other musical atrocities.

That's depressing.

[Desdemona]

You know: "Show me."

Among people who come here and think they are entitled to funding just because they have great ideas (nevermind their attitudes), "Show Me" is getting us into trouble.

Yes, the reinvention of musical atrocities is depressing. I was so looking forward to the sacrificial bonfire of cheap incense and worse music. Unfortunately, the "composers" are still alive. Come on, give somebody else a chance.

Gotta go and help put together a grant proposal. Later.