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From the column: While Radkey's facts may be accurate, it's her spin that often goes unchallenged...her recent comment about her allegations in the Salt Lake Tribune that proxy baptisms were performed for deceased polygamist group leaders: "The LDS Church appears to be reinventing its polygamous history, as it ushers excommunicated Mormon fundamentalists back into the LDS fold through a postmortem back door."

Did you note this sly journalistic trick? This columnist, paid by an lds church-owned paper, first concedes researcher Radkey's "facts may be accurate..." but then quickly dismisses her latest claims as mere "allegations."

(Maybe he could have said "factual allegations?")

And since Campbell works for the church-in-the-know, couldn't he have placed an inside call to the Lds Proxy Baptism Dept. and double-check Radkey's latest news -- and either confirm or deny it -- instead of trying to leave them in the nether world of "allegations?"

(What? This journalist has forgotten how to be a journalist? Oh, and since he didn't make that phone call or write that e-mail -- or publish the results of any possible such communication -- we can all assume Radkey's research goes beyond the "allegation" angle)

1 posted on 06/10/2009 11:25:10 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Instead, it's an honor system that requires members follow policy

The problem with honor systems is that people will break it, with good intentions or not-so good intentions.

I'm LDS but I think the Church has really got to put an actual procedure in place for posthumous baptisms to show that the person submitting the name can prove relationship. I'll even take distant relationship, but the ground work and such still has to be done and documented.

I don't have a problem with submitting a name ans someone else does it, but I do have a problem with names getting submitted with no documentation that they are actually a relative.

2 posted on 06/10/2009 11:51:21 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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From the column: For better or for worse, the church does not operate a centralized clearinghouse for submitting names for temple work.

Why not? Because in reality, people are baptized into the Mormon church. What's so unique about that, you ask? (aren't all baptized folks baptized into their church denominations of their families?) Well, even tho many folks in Christian denominations think they are baptized into a certain church, that's just not a proper Christian understanding.

The reality of Christian baptism is that we're baptized into a person (Jesus Christ) -- not into a church organization.

Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? (Romans 6:3)

People "baptized into Christ Jesus" -- well, Jesus has that all properly recorded in the "Book of Life" mentioned in Revelation. People baptized into a mere man-made church organization? (Well, that man-made organization, when it portends to be a centralized genealogical clearing house, needs to extend its humungous bureaucracy to even a greater degree)

4 posted on 06/10/2009 12:00:54 PM PDT by Colofornian
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From the column: a reporter at the Colorado Springs Gazette thought an evangelical group that seeks to rattle the faith of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses is newsworthy. Why does religious bigotry get ink? I guess if you organize your bigotry and give it a name, then it's news...

Campbell should talk. Has he ever read the first vision? (not to mention what all the other Lds "prophets" & apostles have said about Christians & Christianity?)

I think of all people in history, Joseph Smith, Jr. ranked among the most ambitious grave-diggers who ever lived. When you review his "first vision" of unnamed personages visiting him (see Joseph Smith, History 1 in the lds "scriptures" Pearl of Great Price), he pronounced the number of properly available churches to join as "0" -- these "personages" told him ALL these churches were completely wrong.

So what? Campbell doesn't think Christians just might want to respond to that intolerant attitude of Smith's?

Now to emphasize, Smith didn't say Christian sects were somewhat offbase or slightly wrong...
...but entirely wrong -- as in 100%.

He boldly proclaimed their creedal score was also "0."
He called ALL their/our creeds to be an "abomination."
Smith said not a single creed passed his muster. (Yet, I dare any contemporary Mormon to tell me a single thing "wrong" or abominable with the Apostles Creed...keep in mind that "catholic" in that context meant ONLY "universal.")

Smith realized to be accepted he needed to dig the deepest grave ever. He needed an ambitious "scorched earth" visionary policy. He needed to portray every single Christian...
...church as "wrong",
...creed as "abominable,"
...denomination/sect as apostate,
...Christian professing believer as "corrupt"

[Source: Pearl of Great Price, Joseph History 1 vv. 18-20...count all the "all" words Smith uses]

Why Smith's scorched-earth policy?

...'Cause if he left a single church, creed, sect or believer intact, well, he would simply be unwarranted, redundant, superfluous. If the Christian church wasn't 100% apostate, why, no need for a "restoration" existed.

And so, with spade in hand, Joseph began digging.

About 40 years after revealing the above-mentioned vision, the next generation of Mormons took over the gravedigging exercise by placing this vision into Mormon "scripture."

And now, the generations since then have also placed spade in hand. Most Mormons, though, take spade in hand by their tithing and/or going on two-year mission trips. Their tithing allows Joseph Smith History 1 to be translated into dozens of languages and distributed world-wide. Their mission work allows the narrative of the 100% apostasy to be spread world-wide on millions of doorsteps and living rooms.

So the next time a Mormon tells you they don't go around "attacking" people of other faiths, ask them to read to you outloud Joseph Smith History 1 in the Pearl of Great Price. Ask them if their tithing $ goes for the printing, publishing, translating, and distribution of that narrative world-wide.

(Then thank them for personally calling you "corrupt" and an "apostate." 'Cause Jesus says we're to love those who oppose us -- including those who opposed Christianity before anyone knew of the word, "Mormon").

5 posted on 06/10/2009 12:12:40 PM PDT by Colofornian
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I guess if you organize your bigotry and give it a name, it’s news.


6 posted on 06/10/2009 3:30:35 PM PDT by Old Mountain man (Blessed be the Peacemaker.)
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8 posted on 06/10/2009 4:16:25 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (All the boxes are gone: soapbox, ballot box, jury box, bullet box. History of the future with Obama.)
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To: Colofornian
It's interesting that a reporter at the Colorado Springs Gazette thought an evangelical group that seeks to rattle the faith of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses is newsworthy. Why does religious bigotry get ink? I guess if you organize your bigotry and give it a name, then it's news. At least the reporter got a comment from the local stake president.

I found that statement form the article interesting. It is a complaint that a story about another faith and religious bigotry, yet the very story complaining is and of itself religious bigotry.

9 posted on 06/10/2009 4:27:52 PM PDT by svcw
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“As a member of the church, I find it disheartening that fellow members would submit names of unrelated people, including Holocaust victims and President Obama’s mother, for sacred temple ordinances.”

It’s easy to understand, once it’s explained.

Think Celestial Amway.

God used to be like you
Someday, you can be like God
Do enough of the rituals and you can get your own planet -
IF you are male.
Female, best you can hope for is eternal pregnancy to populate
your male mormon god’s planet.

Those new spirit children will become part of your Celestial Downline.
Someday, they may have their own planet, their own worshippers, all under their downline, which is under YOUR downline.
This can happen for eternity.

As your downline of junior gods and eternally pregnant
goddesses grows, it will expand like a pyramid - an eternal
pyramid scam.

But, of course, this isn’t really true. Nothing in mormonism
is true. It is a heresy and a cult.

The Bible:

Never says you can become a god.
Never says you can have a planet.
Never even shows a single mormon temple ritual.
Never talks about spirit children.
Never talks about Mother God.
Never talks about reproducing gods.
Never encourages baptism of the dead, let alone commands it.
Never hints that the Gospel will be taken from the earth.
Never mentions holy, fluffy underwear.
Never talks about God being an exalted man.
Never teaches that there are multiple gods.
NEVER teaches that Jesus Christ was a created
Spirit Creature like Satan.

mormonism is a credible in the truth department as
Scientology, but without the aerobic exercise of
couch jumping.


10 posted on 06/10/2009 5:09:41 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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Media the victim of source's spin

Poor, old media!

Can't bother to fact check.

Ever' body picks on 'em!

Boo hoo... (they must have an old MORMON victim card in their collective pocket)

12 posted on 06/11/2009 6:00:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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