Radio Replies Volume One: Baptists

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[GonzoII]

Baptists

309. The Baptist Church is the true Church. It really acts as did the first Christians, while the Catholic Church is not mentioned in Scripture as the true Church.

The Baptist Church is certainly not mentioned in Scripture. The Catholic Church is most clearly described there. Meantime, do Baptists act as did the first Christians? Do they go to Confession? Have they the sacrifice of the Mass? Baptists, like other Protestants, insist upon one thing not commanded by Christ, and neglect most of the things insisted upon by Him. Also, Christ said that His Church would be in the world all days from His time until the end of the world. But where was the Baptist Church before the 15th century? Christ certainly was not the Founder of the Baptist Church. It is subject to all the defects common to other forms of Protestantism.

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[annalex]

The Orthodox were Catholic for the first ten centuries of the Chruch’s existence and supported the papacy, to which numerous quotes from the Chruch fathers East and West can attest.

My heritage is Russian, by the way.

[DesertRhino]

Yep there were. And as far as that balonet about the pope tracing back to Peter. Peter was the Bishop of Rome, thats it. He didnt take a leadership role in the early Christian counsels either. (Which occurred in Asia minor,,Turkey)

Constantinope was Clearly the home of Christianty. And all the first churches met there as equals.

And for another thing, All Eastern Orthodox bishops trace their lineage back to one of the twelve Apostles through the process of Apostolic Succession. Catholic bishops don’t. When they meet on church matters in constantinople, they are equals in theology.

Baptist 1970 is ultimately as close as you get to Jesus IMO. Read the bible, pray, priesthood of the believer, and each church is its own governing entity. What could be more faithful to the first church?

[GeronL]

I did an online bible word search... nothing for bishop or Pope

[wmfights]

You have disciples, some single, some married - as Peter was, sharing with independent churches throughout Israel, Asia Minor, and eventually at Rome, being developed by Apostles and other disciples. You have baptism by immersion of believer's only- something distinctly Baptist. You have observance of the Lord's supper - not as another sacrifice for sins, but in rememberance of what the Lord did once for all.

Wonderfully said.

Let me add you also do not have a hierarchy ruling over the congregation. You have elders accountable to the congregation and elders appointed by the congregation.

The Baptist model is the model found in the Apostolic Era. We are churches united by our faith and practices but under local authority.

[Veeram]

“Catholicism is a man made thing,,,designed to control people. And that is what it has done well.”

I would also add that this system is similar to what Democrats try to do with their big government plantation. Keep people dependent on them and government.

Rome has the same setup, the grace from God is given out only through them, the church, through the sacraments. The members are told what to say, when to kneel, and when to stand and sit. The “priests” allegedly have the power to force Jesus from the right Hand of the Father to come down to be re-sacrificed over and over. Yet this “power” that allows them to turn bread into Jesus, somehow cannot be utilized in order to keep their pants on when in the vicinity of teenage boys. This is clear evidence to me that “priests” do not have the power Rome claims they do.

There in but ONE mediator, who was sacrificed ONCE for ALL.

[Petronski]

I did an online bible word search...nothing for Trinity or sola Scriptura.

[Petronski]

The “priests” allegedly have the power to force Jesus from the right Hand of the Father to come down to be re-sacrificed over and over.

Who is alleging this?

[Petronski]

Yet this “power” that allows them to turn bread into Jesus, somehow cannot be utilized in order to keep their pants on when in the vicinity of teenage boys.

What a fantastic slander!

[Petronski]

There in but ONE mediator...

So you've never asked someone else to pray for you?

[annalex]

The first Chriastians were adult converts and indeed practiced the Catholic form of baptism for adults, which involved a profession of faith and penance and is similar to the valid forms of Protestant baptism of adults. Once they were converted, they had their entire household baptized:

15 And when she was baptized, and her household...

33 ... he ... was baptized, and all his house immediately. (Acts 16)

[DesertRhino]

Not so partner. The early church was centered in Constantinople. All early churches were equals in the first several councils. (held in turkey) Rome eventually demanded all others recognize their primacy. Rome split away to become a defacto secular government, after the fall of the western Roman empire.

And in what Russian city were you raised and in what Orthodox church did you worship? My heritage is Texan by the way,,,

[Veeram]

“So you’ve never asked someone else to pray for you?”

Sure I have, but they don’t pray to Mary or the saints.

[Petronski]

Pray means ask.

And by asking someone to pray for you, you’ve admitted on relying on more than one mediator.

[ArrogantBustard]

I just noticed this thread and thought to myself, “why are they bashing us baptist”? I don’t agree with catholics on many issues but right now we are living in a serious time and all christians need to pull together rather than tear each other apart.

Brother Banalblues, may I request that in a spirit of fraternal charity, you keep those sentiments in mind next time you see Protestants of one or another variety bashing Catholics?

[WilliamPatrick]

In order to be baptized belief in Jesus is required. The mere pouring of water is only an outward sign of what should be an internal commitment. This is Catholic teaching. It is no different than the Baptist tradition but differs on the requirement of full immersion.Infant baptism is practiced but Catholics periodically renew their baptismal vows in a separate ceremony throughout their adulthood.I don't believe Gonzo is correct and he is misstating the Catholic belief.Trust me I have 12 years of Catholic education.

[annalex]

St. Ignatius writes of the primacy or the bishop of Rome in 2c. and the Orthodox Church agreed to the primacy of Rome since then, even though attempts to similarly elevate Constantinople were made. The Orthodox Church was one and the same with the Catholic Church till the Great Schism of 1054, which had nothing to do with the papacy anyway.

I did not seriously practice the faith till my adult conversion to Catholicism, but I was baptized Russian Orthodox in a small church near Moscow, as an infant, one of the happiest days of my life. I recently found that church in Google Earth.

[Veeram]

Praying is one thing, but I don’t rely on them for forgiveness of sins or grace from God. Jesus is the ONE mediator between me and the Father.

[Petronski]

Praying is one thing, but I don’t rely on them for forgiveness of sins or grace from God.

Congratulations! You agree with the Catholic Church.

[DesertRhino]

And Christ never made Peter a pope. Catholics do s little selective verse picking with you “on this rock” verse.

They never tell you that the other popular interpretation of the rock is that Jesus was referring not to Peter, but to Peter’s confession of faith in verse 16: “You are the Christ, the son of the living God.” Jesus had never explicitly taught Peter and the other disciples the fullness of His identity, and He recognized that God had sovereignly opened Peter’s eyes and revealed to him who Jesus really was. His confession of Christ as Messiah poured forth from him, a heart-felt declaration of Peter’s personal faith in Jesus. It is this personal faith in Christ which is the hallmark of the true Christian. Those who have placed their faith in Christ, as Peter did, are the church.

Jesus never commissioned or envisioned the Medieval kingdom that is the Roman Church,,, the last surviving European monarchy.

[DesertRhino]

“Orthodox were Catholic for the first ten centuries of the Chruch’s existence and supported the papacy.”

Constantine doesn’t agree with you.