Quix's Commentary On Pope Paul VI's 1967 Populorum Progressio RE: Globalism Implications

Quix's mysterious thought processes and the Vatican URL link given ^ | 26 MARCH 1967 AND 23 MAY 2009 | Pope Paul VI & Quix

[Quix]

My own conviction about such is that we must, MUST be sensitive and obedient to HOLY SPIRIT FOREMOST—without being flakey! LOL. Yet when Holy Spirit has been clear and we clearly know it has been THE HOLY SPIRIT—then we must be responsive.

God alone knows the snares and entrapments that close entanglements with those increasingly in satan’s grasp might result in for us, almost unawares because of the . . . essentially . . . more or less carnal relationship with those who refuse to love and submit to God.

[Quix]

INDEED.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your wonderful essay-post, dearest sister in Christ!

p.s.: Just in case anyone hasn't noticed this, "OThuga" has been working overtime to co-opt Christians institutions and understandings, and a prime target is the Roman Catholic Church. He'll invoke these corrupt "Catholics" as approving and justifying his anti-God policies, as fellow "team members" on "Team Progress" as "we" go forward in "changing" the human future. Indeed, as you say Quix, these are "dead men walking." At the very least, they are idolators; i.e., people who have fallen away from the one Great Commandment: To love God with all one's heart, and mind, and soul, and strength.

Oh so very true.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed.

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. - 2 Timothy 2:24-26

[marbren]

Jude 1:20-23 (NIV)

But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

[melsec]

I have to admit that the attempt to take Godly notions and place them in the political sphere has been an absolute boon for socialism. Social justice has been used and abused both as a term and as a movement within just about any church I could name here in Australia. It’s strange but the more churches seem to concentrate on social issues the less they tend to bother about the state of people’s souls and after all what is more important the eternal or temporal.

Mel

[Quix]

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all [men], apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And [that] they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. - 2 Timothy 2:24-26

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QUITE SO.

Quite so.

Thx.

[Quix]

But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

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Great points. Thx.

[Quix]

I have to admit that the attempt to take Godly notions and place them in the political sphere has been an absolute boon for socialism. Social justice has been used and abused both as a term and as a movement within just about any church I could name here in Australia. It’s strange but the more churches seem to concentrate on social issues the less they tend to bother about the state of people’s souls and after all what is more important the eternal or temporal.

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Boy, that’s the truth!

The Lord is about both . . . though the eternal is by far the priority.

[mad_as_he$$]

Well the Creeks may be calm but the Lokota are restless.

[marbren]

These verses may refer to the three types of people in the world

Be merciful to those who doubt Fellow believers, beggars for grace, the humble, Children of God, Wheat.

snatch others from the fire and save them Children of wrath, unbelievers.

to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Children of the Devil, Pharisees, self righteous, weeds

[JesusBmyGod]

Thank you both for your comments and discussion. Shalom

[Quix]

QX:
Most RC responses are some variation of MY DADDY IS !!!!TOO!!!! BIGGER THAN YOUR DADDY, SO HARUMPH [sticks tongue out]!

BB:
Dear brother in Christ, that observation seems most unworthy of you. In my very humble opinion. For whatever it's worth.

QX:
THANKFULLY, Dear Sister, on this thread it was NOT "Most" RC responses.

A fairly careful count found that 10 RC responses were easily classified as cheeky and hostile. Some were outrageously so. My description of "MY DADDY IS !!!!TOO!!!! BIGGER THAN YOUR DADDY, SO HARUMPH [sticks tongue out]!" was a VERY MILD analogy compared to the actual language used against me.

And that on a thread where I've been fairly strict with my own fiesty language.

The positive or at least collegial, genuine dialogue sorts of RC posts numbered 15.

That resulted in the interesting PERCENTAGE of the

CHEEKY-HOSTILE POSTS EQUALING: 66.666666666666666666666667%

of the RC posts to me on this thread.

I'm fairly certain that on the chat room thread about globalism needing the death of the Republic and RC-ism . . . the percentage would be at least that high.

This is not--entirely, per se, a minor issue.

MOST OF THE TIME, in some respects, all the time, I suspect that the driving energy behind such assaultive word choices is overwhelmingly psychodynamic. Of course, the enemy of our souls is quite skillful at using such forces to our hurt and through us to hurt others and the cause of Christ. Therefore, I don't think we can say the 'cause' is totally psychodynamic--at some level, it's also demonic--to whatever degree.

I think we might summarize the probable major forces toward such wording along the following lines:

1. Psychodynamic/demonic--striking out fiercely against

A) perceived threat
(1) to one's pride
(2) to one's 'Sacred values, IN-group, church, haven'
(3) to one's safety, in some sense . . .
(4) to one's turf, property, in some sense

2. Also against a perceived, targeted, labeled OUT-group, force, identity--long labled as beyond the pale and/or a threat compared to one's IN-group of the Vatican edifice.

I think some who strike out against me or Dr. Eckleburg do so to

1. DEFEND THE FAITH in the most intense and energetic ways they know how to--failing to really wrap their understanding and beliefs around the fact that FAITH IN GOD is unassailable at some level--it is between the individual and God and untouchable by external forces--in some key respects.

Yet, for some, The "MOTHER CHURCH" as an organization, as an IN-GROUP; as a haven; as a bulwark against chaos and disintegration; as a bulwark literally against hell . . . is more or less EQUATED WITH GOD.

God is not just Father, Son, Spirit . . . Father, Son, Spirit, Mary, Saints, the bureaucracy, leadership, forms, structures, rituals, customs, even buildings and adornments are all morphed into some sort of indivisible mass--ALL of which one then treats AS GOD. That's frightful for anyone truly understanding Biblical priorities. Yet, it's a very common human tendency.

2. Others do so, as mentioned, out of psychodynamic REACTIVE ATTACHMENT DISORDERED childhood reasons. The most strident of the lot certainly (0.00% doubt--it's simply outrageously obvious) they certainly do so out of this dyanmic. Some seem so far over the line and to have lived over the line so intensely for so long, I seriously am concerned about how much demonic influence whispers in their ears on such matters.

For probably all of these individuals, too, God is not just Father, Son, Spirit . . . Father, Son, Spirit, Mary, Saints, the bureaucracy, leadership, forms, structures, rituals, customs, even buildings and adornments are all morphed into some sort of indivisible mass--ALL of which one then treats AS GOD.

And, sadly, for SOME of those individuals . . . one begins to wonder where GOD IN REALITY is in their life. It begins to seem like THE STRUCTURE, the human organization and all the hoopla is SO MUCH GOD TO THEM that GOD HIMSELF has little place in their lives. That's serious and frightful.

Another serious and somewhat complicated issue in all this has to do with a mind-set which seems to believe that all the verses in Scripture about responding with Love, gentleness, long suffering patience etc. etc. etc. 100% NEGATE any other Holy Spirit led response in any context ever, at any time.

I don't subscribe to that view. Christ did not behave that way.

Christ WAS quite HARSHLY FIERCE toward the hard hearted, the proud, the idolatrous, the arrogant RELIGIOUS LEADERS AND THEIR MENTALITY AND SPIRIT. And on occasion, He DOES AND WILL call for many of us to be similarly harshly fierce against such evils. I don't pretend to get such leading 100% accurately all the time by any means. I am painfully human as you all vividly know.

However, I DO EARNESTLY endeavor to speak even the stark, even the harsh, even the stern and fierce truth in love. I am mocked about that up one side and down the other by certain known regulars who respond to me. At some point, that will have to be between them and God. God knows the motivation of my heart.

I am ROUTINELY accused of being clueless, an idiot, insane, deliberately seeking the destruction of all that's holy and Roman Catholic; psychotic; having 'no idea what [I'm] talking about' is one of the mildest assaults . . . "WHACKEDORUM FORMATESSIO" was a cute one in this thread . . . I was 2-3 times accused of being an unmentionable idiot . . . Another cute one was "one flailing nutso factoid after another."

At some level all such is chaff and one can easily turn the other cheek. I've turned far more than the other cheek over far worse stuff without breaking a sweat.

However, the folks who throw such about are hurting at some level . . . and . . . they are hurting their cause and the cause of Christendom needlessly.

And I observe no Roman Catholic effort to deal with such folks redemptively.

I realize that my options to have any redemptive impact on such tortured souls are severely limited by my perspective, my positions, my personality and my style. HOWEVER, I CAN AT LEAST shine some sort of mirrored spotlight on such attitudes of spirit. I have observed over many decades that HOLY SPIRIT OFTEN succeeds in haunting folks [typically over a long period of time] with some of the more memorable phrasing until some redemptive influence results.

Do I DARE NOT offer such grist for the mill to Holy Spirit's work? I don't have a peace about that.

DEAR SISTER, I earnestly seek The Lord about what is beneath me as His child and representative. I'll continue to pray about your rebuke and exhortation.

Can you understand why, from my experiences and perspective, this is not just an issue I can roll over and play dead in 100% agreement on?

[Quix]

These verses may refer to the three types of people in the world

Be merciful to those who doubt Fellow believers, beggars for grace, the humble, Children of God, Wheat.

snatch others from the fire and save them Children of wrath, unbelievers.

to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. Children of the Devil, Pharisees, self righteous, weeds

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I believe that’s an excellent and anointed insight, marbren.

Thanks tons.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind words.

[Marysecretary]

Our RC brethren have insulted you so many times. I’m glad you have the truth behind you and a tough skin. They have nothing to say so they call us idiots, mentally retarded, liars, you name it. It would be nice to have a real discussion once in a while without having to submit to their nastiness.

[betty boop]

YUP. INDEED. Yet, the human critter is persistently of the mind-set—“WON’T HAPPEN TO ME! I don’t need to wear my seat-belt.” “I thank God that I’m not like that publican over there.” MY GROUP, church, congregation, family, person . . . is exempt from such troubles, flaws. WE’RE DIFFERENT! WE’RE NATURALLY [organizationally, habitually, practicedly, orthodoxly, ritually, labeled-ly] AUTOMATICALLY SAINTLY! . . . by definition.... And they fail to see that they have ALREADY BEEN seduced by lies from hell. They are ALREADY snared in satan’s trap.

So very true, Quix. And yet groups, churches, congregations, families, persons, organizations, habits, practices, orthodoxy, rituals, and/or labels are not what save one, taken singly or collectively. What saves one is to live in Christ. But only the poor in spirit can abide in Christ. The vanity and narcissism you describe in the above italics is far, far from the poverty of spirit, or humility, that the Lord our God requires. But from these Satan will bring in an abundant harvest....

Pride — pride of life, pride of mind — arrogance, vanity, narcissism — all are vicious traps. They make Satan's "job" easy for him.

I have this overwhelming sense that objective Evil is moving and gathering strength in this world largely because of loss of faith in God.

I pray God to strengthen us in our faith, for Christians to look to their hearts; that He may bless us and our fair country.

Thank you so very much, dear brother in Christ, for your kind words, and for your profoundly insightful essay/post!

All glory be to God!

[Mad Dawg]

Not only is my daddy bigger than your daddy, but he has a WAY prettier dress -- and slippers to die for.

So there.

[Alamo-Girl]

Er, if you have had 25 replies from Catholics and 10 were cheeky and 15 were not cheeky, then the degree of cheekiness would be 10/25 or 40%.

Also I suspect there is a third reason for cheekiness: namely, perception. If a person - even a Christian who should know better - perceives someone has been cheeky to him then he is liable to return in kind.

That of course is completely contrary to Christ's teaching of turning the other cheek, rejoicing when we've been falsely accused for His sake, etc.

Or as we teach our children, "two wrongs don't make a right."

[Quix]

VERY EXCELLENT POINTS, DEAR SISTER IN THE LORD.

THANKS TONS.

MUCH, MUCH APPRECIATED.