[Old Mountain man]

I believe I’ve asked you this before, but either you didn’t answer or I have forgotten the answer, so please indulge me.

What harm does this practice do? It may offend you but does it harm any living human? If so, how?

Thanks.

[Tennessee Nana]

Am I correct in saying that the dead that have NEVER heard the gospel while they were alive are to be “preached the Gospel” in Hell or where ever... ???

If this is correct, why are Christians who have lived a Christian life and died a Christian with their Christian faith/church clearly annotated on their death certificate targeted by the mormons ???

Why are French Huguenots who fled from France to The US, rather than deny Jesus and the the Gospel, targeted ???These people are listed in the IGI, the “ordinance record” for dead dunking...

Plus they have had endowments and sealings done for them when they were married in the Methodist Church etc...

And the sealing to their children and progeny forever...

Descendants who have chosen to be Christians and maybe have already REJECTED the church of Joey Smith...

When their living descendants find those records, if they dont know better, what are they to think ???

That g-g-g-g-granddad, after enduring a nightmare as a refugee from his homeland, escaping with his life and his children, with his verboten Bible baked into a loaf of bread, turned his back on Jesus and apostasized from his Christian faith once he got to the US ???

This man I speak of paid for more than 100 acres of land in the US and donated the land to build a church...

and raised his children as Chrisians...

And his Christian influence continued in the family for generations..

But now according to “authentic” mormon documents, he is a mormon ???

[greyfoxx39]

So, are you saying that "offense" is acceptable, but "harm" is not?

Some folks here seem to think that being offended by the posts of the Inmans that are posted in rebuttal to mormon theology and practice is a major crime, although the posting of this information can in no way be described as "harmful" to any living human.

Perhaps walking in the offended shoes of those folks whose dead non-mormon relatives are highjacked would be a good experience for the ones offended by "anti" mormon posts.

[Tennessee Nana]

and he is now a mormon although he died 100 years before Joey Smith was even born ???

[peyton randolph]

What harm does this practice do? It may offend you but does it harm any living human? If so, how?

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LDS has been caught repeatedly baptizing Holocaust victims.

Harm? Perhaps not. Tacky? At a minimum.

 

[ravinson]

What harm does this practice do?

Mormons have their good points (as well as a lot of wacky, narrow-minded beliefs) and while I appreciate their genealogical work when it is accurate and supported by documentation, I've found numerous obvious errors in their FamilySearch.org database and litttle documentation.

[elcid1970]

Hey, ol’ Mormon Mountain Meadows Massacre Man,

“MERRY SMITHMAS!”

“For it is given unto man once to die, but after this the judgement.”

Have you already done your mishie thing, and are now preaching to us gentiles as an “elder”?

Just asking. Have a nice McConkie day!

(BTW, I’m one of those Catholic papist mackerelsnappers that your GA’s and Apostles love to hate.)

;^)

[restornu]

at http://www.byu.tv/ there is an excellent discussion on this topic and a little on this book you posted.

to find it go to and click on
Fri May 8th
click on 7 AM on the Discussion of the D&C

You might need to download some sofeware

[Safrguns]

What harm does this practice do? It may offend you but does it harm any living human? If so, how?

What we desire is not always what we get... and what we say to others is not necessarily what is heard. Frequently we spend more time saying things to others AND OURSELVES that we are simply not cognizant of, but the message itself comes accross quite clear, even if it is subliminal at best.
HYPOTHETICAL Case in point: If I say I voted for Obama, the message most would hear is that I'm a communist... or at the very least a liberal democrat... Am I a lib? NO... DID I vote Obama? well of course I didn't.. but others would believe that I claimed to be a lib based on what I said, not what I intended to say.

What we practice in religious ceremony, regardless of the intention, conveys conviction about a core set of beliefs to others. IF those convictions are wrong, it does not matter how good your intentions were... you will be responsible for transmitting those convictions and beliefs to others. IF those convictions are wrong, you have become a stumbling block for the innocent, weak minded, or naive.

WHEN we act on our faith, whether it be prayer, baptism, or any form of worship or intercession, what we INTEND to accomplish or say is completely powerless compared to the actual affects of those actions... most of which are unknown.

In the case of baptisms for the dead, what is INTENDED is redemption or intercession for those who have passed... but because those that believe in it have also been told that their own standing with God is affected, there exists a more subtle "intention" which is the "works" that supposedly gains them position in heaven. On yet another front, it should be safe to say that we all care about loved ones, and what their fate is once they die... and we would all like to gain some assurance that they walk with God... and baptisms for the dead somehow gives us that assurance doesn't it? And finally, Isn't it important that we communicate to others that we do care about others dead or alive? Of course we do... and rituals such as this certainly serve that purpose as well dont they?

So what IS the true INTENTION of baptisms for the dead...
Is it for the dead? or is it for ourselves? Is it to make us feel better about others? or is it to make others to feel better about us?
OR, is it "All of the Above"?

NOW... regardless of the intention, what is the affect?
What is being said? and What are we teaching others and ourselves?

1. By engaging in and thereby teaching others that baptisms for the dead are viable and good, we are saying to others and ourselves that salvation is still possible after death, even though God says in His Word that it isn't. 2. We are also saying that Christ's sacrifice was not sufficient for salvation if engagement in the practice is generally believed or perceived to be a requirement for salvation. 3. We are also saying that those who have died can actually hear our prayers, even though God has said that the dead hear not. If eternal judgment TRULY comes at the moment of death, and intercession is no longer possible, What harm is done to the person who doesn't know any better?... What harm is done to the person who learns from this practice that a commitment to Christ can be put off until later... even after death?

If one person believes a falsehood to be true that results in his/her eternity in hell, what harm is done to others? If 10,000 people believe in that same falsehood, will only the 10,000 suffer the same fate? or will 20,000 more suffer because of credibility they placed in the 10,000?

Someone once asked me if God loves us so much, how come He allows all of this suffering that goes on in the world?

My response was this...

If "suffering" could be measured and tabulated for EACH and EVERY person who EVER lived on the face of the earth for EVERY DAY of their life, and if you could sum up ALL of that suffering from Adam to the last man standing at Armageddon into a figure which represented the "total sufferings of mankind on earth", how would it compare to the sufferings of a SINGLE person in HELL for eternity???

I'm sure it would take a long time for the sufferings of a single person in hell to surpass the sufferings of all of mankind on earth... but eventually at some point it would happen... and at some point it would double... and triple... That's what eternity is all about.

How much "harm" is that?