Whew...just in TIME!
Posted on 03/03/2009 7:44:26 PM PST by delacoert
Brigham Young University has denied an appeal to award a diploma that the creator of a Mormon beefcake calendar says he earned.
Chad Hardy's diploma was withheld by BYU last fall after he was excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which owns and runs the school. Hardy was excommunicated during the month between completing his courses and graduation ceremonies.
Hardy appealed and met with Dean of Students Vernon L. Heperi on Feb. 13. In the meeting, Heperi sought to determine whether Hardy's life is guided by the school's honor code, which reflects the values of the Mormon church.
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I LOVE that graphic. I might have to borrow it!
Right. I’m sure Jim McMahon followed that honor code when he was there. Oh, that’s right. He was helping them win a national championship so a “wink, wink, nudge, nudge, know what I mean?” is OK.
Hitchens is right.
Whew...just in TIME!
Oh, cute!
It reminds me of someone......who?
LOL
Nice try greyfoxx39 it seems you might also agree ..:)
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I do not understand,
conservatives complain when the state run universities hold students to no standerds.
conservatives are complaining because Mormons are doing what they, the conservatives, want the state schools to do.
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Just a quick scan of BYU’s history with the federal government interference with education will give you an answer about how the school has often told the feds to take a hike.
As a vet, I remember a time that the school told the feds they were not going to follow some policy, even if it meant the vets could not use their GI Bill money at BYU.
Also, I was watching a program about the supper computer BYU has and how many more students can use it because the government did not pay for it and the feds could not restrict who can use it.
If you can provide evidence showing BYU directly receives money from the federal government rather than indirectly via students or researchers, I will stand corrected.
Otherwise, please don’t bother me anymore with your postings. The Mormon Derangement Syndrome is becoming tiresome.
Nice try; RETSY; but YOU are the one that, ahem, brought up the subject in #55.
But this is all about the accrediting and licenses bodies, something BYU as a degree granting institution has already agreed to. In order to grant degrees an institution has certain rules it has to follow as to curriculum, hours etc. to be licensed by it's state. Add to that the requirements of the Accreditation authority, which without it a BYU degree (or any other) is basically worthless in the real world, you have some hurdles to overcome.
Like I said, if they had just gotten to it before he completed.
I have checked the DOE website and they say that they do not accredit universities. They do say that they 1) punlish a list of accredited universities and 2) provide recognition for accrediting agencies.
Through some further reading I found that BYU is accredited by Northwest Association of Schools. Here is the link for their accredidation requirements.
http://www.northwestaccreditation.org/publications/Standards/Standards.pdf
Having read their standards, there doesn’t seem to be anything problematic about what BYU did.
Were you able to speak with you friend who is familiar with types of problems that could arise from BYU’s action? What did he say?
I am not surprised. When I was at BYU, there was a girl in the honors program with me that became a Christian and started to attend a Christian church in the middle of her Senior year. She was expelled and ordered to pay back ALL of her Church sponsored scholarships.
She still lived by the “code of honor” but was an “apostate”, so she was kicked. 3.8 GPA IIRC.
Sinse all of my post show I do not approve of this kind of behavior!
Nice try; RETSY; but YOU are the one that, ahem, brought up the subject in #55.
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It might have started there but it was you ELSIE who decide to get into the fray...you are not innocent here you are the catalyst
Post #55
You know what amaze me is that this calendar was light porn and inply same sex, which this young man was trying to taint the Missionires I think the Church had every right to tell him to get scram!
Since all of my post show I do not approve of this kind of behavior!
Thank you it shows that my post does not approve of this behavior which it seems you statement towards me tried to imply!
There may be those on FR that struggle with SS leanings
(and your statement could be considered quite homo-erotic!) ~ Elsie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2198698/posts?page=118#118
Cheers!:)
However GF is partially right, much of the grant money, as well as others, comes directly from the Fed to the institution, who in turn administers the account as an agent (for lack of a better term). In the case of a loan the student pays the government with the institution basically acting as the collector. Much of the rest will come to the student and then to the school, but the effect is viewed the same by the fed. (I am not sure how it breaks down at BYU, much depends on student demographics, ie can we trust these folks with a check in their hand)
Sadly what is really bad in this, is that the government makes the institution give the loan to basically anybody without regard to the ability to pay, but then will punish the institution down the road if the student fails to repay. If the default rate goes past a certain percentage then the Fed will cease allowing the institution to grant loans, even though the school never had a say in who got them. Yes it sucks.
Indirectly GFs post demonstrates this, since they had made a point of mentioning title 9 specifically. In order to even accept grants and federal loans the institution must comply with title 9.
There are other federal ties as well money, and while one can argue the indirectly or directly angle all day long, even a single federal dollar coming from any source into an institutions coffers gives the fed some influence, such as title 9 enforcement and the like.
Here was just one article I found:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20040227/ai_n11440332
However, like I said, in this case all that is irrelevant, it is not a finical issue.
There are many LDS that serve. However, in my experience, the guys who joined right out of High School, rather than wait until after they finished their missions (about 21), were thought to be “unworthy” of a mission.
It was assumed that if they had been “worthy” they would have served their mission first, then joined the military.
I never said the DOE accredited institutions directly. However they recognized the accrediting bodies. Recognition of accrediting bodies brings certain standards, though they tend to be somewhat lax at the collegiate level.
I reviewed the NWCCU guidelines and the accrediting manual, as it is, they are a bit more simplified than what I have dealt with. Section 3C1 maybe a sticking point since they did indeed initially acknowledge his completion. While I highly doubt the NWCCU would actually care since this does not appear to be habit for BYU, their rules could be used against BYU by opposing counsel.
As far as a threat to their accreditation, it really shouldn't but often the auditors that make the evals are some what subjective in their approach. Institutions tend to err on the side of caution. In this instance since the NWCCU seems to be a bit more 'relaxed' this too tends to work in BYUs favor. Every accrediting body is different.
Now I am curious what hoops BYU has to hop through to grant degrees in the states they operate in and what impact that may have. In my home state it was quite an ordeal, I had to help write the plan from my institution to receive a license to grant BA/BSs in Computer Science some years ago. That was fun...
I have two adult children that were baptized mormon when children, one was called after dozens of years of non-attendance and actually joining another church, to tithing settlement.
Three years after I received confirmation of my name removal (which took almost 3 years itself), I was contacted by the ward clerk to “update my records.”
My lawyer responded to him.
Oh, I won't bother you...the "mormon superiority attitude" is becoming quite tiresome.
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