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02/28/2009 5:28:01 AM PST by
fproy2222
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Joseph was just as right about the idea that God can beget other gods equal to Him in power and glory as Joseph was right about ...
- The Book of Mormon: the "most correct of any book on earth" containing stories of mass migrations in submarine barges, snakes herding cattle, American Indians smelting steel and riding about in horse drawn chariots, and so much, much more.
- The Book of Abraham: Joseph's translation completely debunked by Egyptologists. The poor guy missed the author of the document, the purpose for the document, and every single word contained in the document.
- The Failed Prophesies: dozens to choose from including such gems as the violent overthrow of the United States in the 1830's, to the second coming of Christ sometime before 1891, to the discovery of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel living in cement houses in a valley near the North Pole, to the finding the moon is inhabited by men dressed like Quakers, to the prediction the earth has knobs on each end. Joseph wasn't afraid go for broke. And he got there time and time again.
- The First Vision: or more specifically, the nine different versions of the first vision; or ten if you include the Salamander account pronounced genuine by LDS Church leadership.
- The 1826 Bainbridge Conviction for Fraud: the Conquistador's gold was really down there. It wasn't Joseph's fault the farmer dug so slowly the ground opened up and kept swallowing the treasure.
- The Book of Commandments / Doctrine and Covenants: supposedly dictated to the prophet by Mormonism's god, but changed thousands of times and still replete with examples of false statements and contradictions with other Mormon scripture.
- The Kirtland Safety Society: Joseph preceded the Enron scandal by 170 years with what was for years the largest financial fraud in U.S. history (and one of the most blatant). This happened shortly after Mormonism's god promised the banking institution, "like Aaron's rod shall swallow up all other banks
and grow and flourish and spread from the rivers to the ends of the earth, and survive when all others should be laid in ruins."
- The United Order: Rigdon talked Smith into trying communism about 30 years or so before Marx and Engels. The Saints got the same economic results as other workers paradises such as the Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea. The Saints eventually abandoned this commandment in favor of the law of tithing even though the United Order was proclaimed to be an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I [Jesus] come.
- The Garden of Eden located in Independence, Missouri: This was the place where Adam and Eve were given Sacred Temple Garments (long johns with secret Masonic symbols) to cover their nakedness after they were expelled from paradise.
- The Kinderhook Plates: a hoax by evil gentiles who took pieces of brass, and then inspired by the characters on a box of Chinese green tea, etched strange markings on them with acid. Joseph pronounced the artifacts genuine and determined they contained information about a descendant of Ham.
- Doctrine & Covenants Section 132: polygamy as a result of a "new and everlasting covenant
[and] if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory." This revelation convinced more than thirty women, many in their teens and several married to other men, to share Joseph's celestial bed. And it ruined the lives of thousands of his devout followers. And exactly how does one get rid of something that is everlasting? The LDS Church has been trying to figure that one out since the Federal Government almost put them out of business in 1887.
- The Science of Kolob: the Sun borrows its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, and other stars receive their power through the revolutions of Kolob. Similarly, the earth receives its power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam.
- Salvation through Joseph: or more specifically, the idea no one receives exaltation without recognizing Smith is a prophet of god and will pass before him in order to gain entry to the highest kingdom of heaven.
- I'm greater than Jesus: Joseph's pompous boast made on May 26, 1844. Less than a month later, the vain prophet Joseph Smith was thrown down exactly as he prophesied.
71 posted on
02/28/2009 7:36:07 AM PST by
Zakeet
(Grow your own dope. Plant a liberal.)
To: fproy2222
Interesting that you throw the question out and well lets say never respond......way to go. Off for another (gasp) cup of coffee.
72 posted on
02/28/2009 7:46:02 AM PST by
svcw
To: fproy2222
1. A created thing is always subject to the environment it was created in and for: we are creatures of the physical universe.
2. A created thing is always lesser than the one who created it.
3. God occupies a "space" beyond the physically created universe, beyond dimensions and beyond the realm of our thinking: He is unique
74 posted on
02/28/2009 7:52:31 AM PST by
Acrobat
(I cannot even watch BHO on TV. It's keeping me off TV)
To: fproy2222
The most powerful possible being could create another powerful being but not an equal: God always existed and the new being would be created. I do not see how a created being could equal an uncreated being.
77 posted on
02/28/2009 8:24:19 AM PST by
TradicalRC
(Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.)
To: fproy2222
Probably for the same reason normal people don’t kill themselves. It’s the difference between whether one ‘can’ and whether one ‘should’.
I don’t have enough information to comment on the extent of the Triune God’s capabilities. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the question, however. I get similar questions from my 5 year old three times a week.
“Daddy, what would happen if there was a fire in here?”
“We’d open the door and leave.”
“But what if the doors were on fire?”
“We’d open or break a window and leave through the window.”
“But what if the windows were on fire, and the sidewalks, and all that metal over there? . . . “
The more I raise kids, the more I realize that parenthood was designed to give mortals a sense for what being God is like. This includes the capacity to love your kids no matter how bad they can act at times.
It also means listening to your children express their wishes ackwardly, and then making judgements about what they need rather than what they say they want.
At times, your kids protest, sometimes vociferously. Annoying but as a parent you understand it, and you do what’s necessary.
To: fproy2222
86 posted on
02/28/2009 9:28:42 AM PST by
Irish Queen
(Old time teacher 1968-2000 RIP)
To: fproy2222
Is this because he chooses not to create someone equal to Himself, or is God unable to create someone equal to Himself? Drive by posting again?
Exodus 3:14 KJV
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
203 God revealed himself to his people Israel by making his name known to them. A name expresses a person's essence and identity and the meaning of this person's life. God has a name; he is not an anonymous force. To disclose one's name is to make oneself known to others; in a way it is to hand oneself over by becoming accessible, capable of being known more intimately and addressed personally.
206 In revealing his mysterious name, YHWH ("I AM HE WHO IS", "I AM WHO AM" or "I AM WHAT I AM"), God says who he is and by what name he is to be called. This divine name is mysterious just as God is mystery. It is at once a name revealed and something like the refusal of a name, and hence it better expresses God as what he is - infinitely above everything that we can understand or say: he is the "hidden God", his name is ineffable, and he is the God who makes himself close to men.
207 God, who reveals his name as "I AM", reveals himself as the God who is always there, present to his people in order to save them.
210 After Israel's sin, when the people had turned away from God to worship the golden calf, God hears Moses' prayer of intercession and agrees to walk in the midst of an unfaithful people, thus demonstrating his love. When Moses asks to see his glory, God responds "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim before you my name 'the LORD' [YHWH]." Then the LORD passes before Moses and proclaims, "YHWH, YHWH, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness"; Moses then confesses that the LORD is a forgiving God.
211 The divine name, "I Am" or "He Is", expresses God's faithfulness: despite the faithlessness of men's sin and the punishment it deserves, he keeps "steadfast love for thousands"... By giving his life to free us from sin, Jesus reveals that he himself bears the divine name: "When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will realize that "I AM"."
212 In God "there is no variation or shadow due to change."
213 The revelation of the ineffable name "I AM WHO AM" contains then the truth that God alone IS. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, and following it the Church's tradition, understood the divine name in this sense: God is the fullness of Being and of every perfection, without origin and without end. All creatures receive all that they are and have from him; but he alone is his very being, and he is of himself everything that he is.
To me, learning to fear the Lord is foundational to understanding.
- Proverbs 15:33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.
- Isaiah 11:2-3 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
- Psalm 130:3-4 If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
Only the foolish and arrogant believe they are like or will become god.
To: fproy2222
God is God - he can do whatever he wants. Let go of your ego - your mind is too small to wrap around God’s power.
To: fproy2222
Can God create another God?... and can that other God lift the rock that God made so heavy that he couldn't lift it himself?
94 posted on
02/28/2009 2:13:39 PM PST by
x
To: fproy2222
Why is God always referred to as “He?” Does God have a gender? Is there a Mrs. God?
95 posted on
02/28/2009 3:37:09 PM PST by
Darwin Fish
(God invented evolution. Man invented religeon.)
To: fproy2222
Why would you ask us lesser beings?
Go to the source.
To: fproy2222
Can God create another God? When I see HIM; I'll ask Him.
(Personally - I don't see what the point would be to do so.)
HE's alREADY OMNIpotent!
97 posted on
02/28/2009 3:49:24 PM PST by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: fproy2222
"I have been told, here at FR, that God only creates lesser beings.Hmmm...
"Is this because he chooses not to create someone equal to Himself, or is God unable to create someone equal to Himself?
Gen 1:26,27, "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."
It says there in Gen 1, that God made man in His image and likeness. That means man is a trinity also and equal, unless in our image and likeness means something inferior and contrary to what was stated. Jesus acknowledged the clear meaning of Gen 1:26,27 in John 10:33-36"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'[Psalm 82:6]? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God cameand the Scripture cannot be broken what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?"
To: fproy2222
[Can God create another God?]
Well, Mitt thinks he’s a God.
But better still, I am a God, so I guess you are right (though I distrust your mortal judgement).
105 posted on
02/28/2009 4:34:51 PM PST by
FastCoyote
(I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
To: fproy2222
What is your thinking, Fproy, about your own questions?
What think you?
I’ve not seen your answer, unless I somehow missed it. If so, please let me know.
Thanks,
BR
106 posted on
02/28/2009 4:39:46 PM PST by
Birmingham Rain
("Where you tend a rose, my lad, a thistle cannot grow." (The Secret Garden))
To: fproy2222
Oh boy, are you in for some caca posting this vanity.
Never the less, let me help. Never tempt or mock the Lord thy God.
It's safe that way.
5.56mm
107 posted on
02/28/2009 4:44:17 PM PST by
M Kehoe
To: fproy2222
“If I knew God I’d be Him.” —Joseph Albo, 16th century.
111 posted on
02/28/2009 5:50:17 PM PST by
onedoug
To: fproy2222
We could be joint heirs fproy2222, but none of us well be on the same level as the Heavenly Fathrer nor His Son Jesus Chirst.
In the ten commandments Our Heavenly Father told all of us
1= "You shall have no other gods before Me."
It is a small "g" and not part of the Godhead; Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Abraham 3
15 And the Lord said unto me: Abraham, I show these things unto thee before ye go into Egypt, that ye may declare all these words.
16 If two things exist, and there be one above the other, there shall be greater things above them; therefore Kolob is the greatest of all the Kokaubeam that thou hast seen, because it is nearest unto me.
17 Now, if there be two things, one above the other, and the moon be above the earth, then it may be that a planet or a star may exist above it; and there is nothing that the Lord thy God shall take in his heart to do but what he will do it.
18 Howbeit that he made the greater star; as, also, if there be two spirits, and one shall be more intelligent than the other, yet these two spirits, notwithstanding one is more intelligent than the other, have no beginning; they existed before, they shall have no end, they shall exist after, for they are gnolaum, or eternal.
19 And the Lord said unto me: These two facts do exist, that there are two spirits, one being more intelligent than the other; there shall be another more intelligent than they; I am the Lord thy God, I am more intelligent than they all.
To: fproy2222
God is not a created being. He exists beyond time.
He is also consistent with Himself... the same yesterday, today, and forever. And He keeps His word.
Your question is very silly, along the lines of a falling tree’s noise in an empty wood... Or, could God make 2 + 2 = 5?
However, IANAT (I am not a theologian) whatever God creates, would be a created thing, whereas God exists but was not created. So, no.
There is no name above or beside Him.
114 posted on
02/28/2009 6:37:08 PM PST by
Miykayl
To: fproy2222
He cannot create another God like Him.
The reason is that a created being is a finite being, it has a starting point. God has always existed.
And only the twisted mind of man might take this to be a weakness of God rather than a logical impossibility.
116 posted on
02/28/2009 7:16:50 PM PST by
Secret Agent Man
(I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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