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To: raynearhood
Manasses is a half tribe of Joseph. Joseph minus the half tribe Ephraim leaves only the half tribe Manasses. Manasses is counted twice.

What half tribes??? Did God list any of these tribes as half tribes??? Obviously God disagrees with your assessment...

God lists the 12 tribes as HE determines who they are...It may not be the same 12 tribes that started out initially but so what??? If God says these are now the 12 tribes, then these are the 12 tribes...

The fact that you disagree with God is meaningless...You have shown you disagree with God on a regular basis...

354 posted on 03/06/2009 8:30:53 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
The fact that
you disagree
with God
is meaningless...
You have shown
you disagree
with God
on a regular basis...

INDEED!

356 posted on 03/06/2009 8:44:01 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Iscool; raynearhood; Lee N. Field
The fact that you disagree with God is meaningless...You have shown you disagree with God on a regular basis...

This sort of posturing seems to be a characteristic of folks who have little to add to the discussion. I guess you think that by making blanket, unsupportable statements you will win an argument or make points or who knows what.

And then there is the mindless hubris to think that poo-pooing what you believe is akin to disagreeing with God.

Amazing. When did they make you the pope of futurism?

358 posted on 03/06/2009 9:37:18 AM PST by topcat54
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To: Iscool; topcat54; Quix; Cvengr; Lee N. Field
What half tribes??? Did God list any of these tribes as half tribes??? Obviously God disagrees with your assessment...

Sure he does. There are more lists of the Tribes of Israel in the Bible than here.
Genesis 35:23-26
the sons of Leah: Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, then Simeon and Levi and Judah and Issachar and Zebulun; the sons of Rachel: Joseph and Benjamin; and the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's maid: Dan and Naphtali; and the sons of Zilpah, Leah's maid: Gad and Asher. These are the sons of Jacob who were born to him in Paddan-aram.
Later, Israel, on his deathbed, blessed Ephraim and Manasseh as his own through which nations would be blessed... Ephraim above Manasseh though Manasseh was the firstborn:
Genesis 48:14-20
But Israel stretched out his right hand and laid it on the head of Ephraim, who was the younger, and his left hand on Manasseh's head, crossing his hands, although Manasseh was the firstborn.

He blessed Joseph, and said,
"The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked,
The God who has been my shepherd all my life to this day,
The angel who has redeemed me from all evil,
Bless the lads;
And may my name live on in them,
And the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;
And may they grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth."


When Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand on Ephraim's head, it displeased him; and he grasped his father's hand to remove it from Ephraim's head to Manasseh's head. Joseph said to his father, "Not so, my father, for this one is the firstborn. Place your right hand on his head." But his father refused and said, "I know, my son, I know; he also will become a people and he also will be great. However, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his descendants shall become a multitude of nations."

He blessed them that day, saying,
"By you Israel will pronounce blessing, saying,
'May God make you like Ephraim and Manasseh!'"
Thus he put Ephraim before Manasseh.
Israel then blessed Joseph with twice the birthright, which was subdivided between Joseph's two sons. Thus, the birthrights of Joseph and Rueben (who lost his birthright by defiling his father's bed. Gen 49:3-4) became the birthright of Joseph... the tribe of Joseph, subdivided amongst his sons, who, though blessed recieved no birthright from Israel.

Did you really think I just made this up out of convenience to a covenantal outlook?

God lists the 12 tribes as HE determines who they are...It may not be the same 12 tribes that started out initially but so what???

So you agree, then, that the nation of Israel with whom God made a Covenant is not the same nation of Israel in Revelation? The entire bloodline of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are not there.

The fact that you disagree with God is meaningless...You have shown you disagree with God on a regular basis...

And thus, our conversation comes to a close. A statement with such insight and theological prowess is just impossible to argue. < /sarcasm >
359 posted on 03/06/2009 10:18:30 AM PST by raynearhood (<< BEWARE!!! A consistent NAYSAYER posted this reply)
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