so, the game REPLACEMENTARIANS wish to play is . . .
JUST BECAUSE REPLACEMENTARIANS CAN'T READ SIMPLE TEXT AND UNDERSTAND CLEAR MEANINGS,
DISPIES ARE REQUIRED TO READ THE MIND OF GOD ON ALL QUESTIONS?
ROTFLOL.
THAT'S TOOOOOOO RICH.
GTTM!
Posted on 02/24/2009 10:10:12 AM PST by topcat54
Calvary Chapel of Chino California held “ The Southern California Prophecy Conference” last week (Feb. 20–22, 2009). I wonder if those who came to hear speakers like Tim LaHaye, Mark Hitchcock, Paul McGuire, David Hocking, David Reagan, and Ed Hindson were aware that Chuck Smith, the founder of the Calvary Chapel network of churches, made some very definite predictions about when the “rapture” was going to take place.
While cleaning up my office, I came across a cassette tape of a sermon Chuck Smith preached on December 31, 1979. He told his very accepting audience on that day that the rapture would take place in 1981. The former Soviet Republic going into Afghanistan in August of 1978 was the prelude to what Smith considered to be a full-force invasion of the Middle East. It would not be long before “Russia” would invade Israel, Smith told his audience. All of this was said to have been “predicted” by Ezekiel 2600 years ago.
Smith went on to claim in his end-of-the-year message of 30 years ago that because of ozone depletion Revelation 16:8 would be fulfilled during the soon-coming Great Tribulation: “And the fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun; and it was given to it to scorch men with fire.” According to Smith, Halley’s Comet would pass near the earth in 1986 and would wreck atmospheric havoc for those left behind as debris from its million-mile tail pummeled the earth. Halley’s Comet did appear in 1986 with no damage done to our planet. (A similar prelude to the end had been predicted based on the so-called Jupiter Effect.[1]) ...
(Excerpt) Read more at americanvision.org ...
so, the game REPLACEMENTARIANS wish to play is . . .
JUST BECAUSE REPLACEMENTARIANS CAN'T READ SIMPLE TEXT AND UNDERSTAND CLEAR MEANINGS,
DISPIES ARE REQUIRED TO READ THE MIND OF GOD ON ALL QUESTIONS?
ROTFLOL.
THAT'S TOOOOOOO RICH.
GTTM!
When they spend soooooooooo many lines of text proving that God's words mean nothing to them . . . nothing to their rationalizations nor to their vain imaginings.
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The Mormons claim to come from Ephraim, which is kinda odd...
Ephraims name is blotted out under heaven in the book of Hosea...
Hos 4:17 Ephraim is joined to idols: let him alone.
Ephraim was replaced by Joseph...
Amo 8:14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beer-sheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.
Jacob had an illegitimate son in Dan...And of course, Dan was the first born...But the first born from God was Joseph...
Gen 49:16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.
So Jacob says Dan shall judge as one of the tribes of Israel, NOT actually being a tribe of Israel...
Gen 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.
Dan was not a good guy...
Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
Gen 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
Joseph replaces Ephraim and Levi replaces Dan who was wholly given over to Baal worship...
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand.
Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
I see Manasses only once...
But why worry about it...Just believe it...You going to conted with the Holy Spirit on the issue???
Thanks for the ping.
For the last 2,000 years, there have been plenty who have suffered greatly in the Body of Christ. I submit it would be “favoritism” on God’s part to suddenly snatch away one generation from its suffering, while others “ran the race to the end” in times past.
Like I said, get into the Scriptures...It is NOT a generation...It's an age...The church age...It covers a couple thousand years...
True...Everything that has to do with future prophecy is 'symbolic'...If I was one of them reformers from Christianity, seems I'd want to know what that stuff was symbolic of...
And you for your kind reply.
Symbols are important.
Pontificating with self-righteous pseudo-confidence about symbols is . . . to be avoided . . . imho.
Things will be understood better by and by as the old Hymn asserts.
However,
ISRAEL
AND GOD’S HEART FOR ISRAEL AND PLANS FOR ISRAEL ARE AMONGST THE CLEAREST AND MOST DEPENDABLE PARTS OF SCRIPTURE.
That’s not exactly what it says in context:
15 "Though you, Israel, play the harlot, Let not Judah offend. Do not come up to Gilgal, Nor go up to Beth Aven, Nor swear an oath, saying, 'As the Lord lives'-- 16 "For Israel is stubborn Like a stubborn calf; Now the Lord will let them forage Like a lamb in open country. 17 "Ephraim is joined to idols, Let him alone. 18 Their drink is rebellion, They commit harlotry continually. Her rulers dearly love dishonor. 19 The wind has wrapped her up in its wings, And they shall be ashamed because of their sacrifices. (Hos. 4)It’s clear from the context of Hosea 4 that “Ephraim” is being used as a synonym for Israel, i.e., Israel has played the harlot and Ephraim is joined to idols. It’s simple Hebraic construct for emphasis.
Amo 8:14
Again, you manage to ignore the context by cherry picking prooftexts.
11 "Behold, the days are coming," says the Lord God, "That I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine of bread, Nor a thirst for water, But of hearing the words of the Lord. 12 They shall wander from sea to sea, And from north to east; They shall run to and fro, seeking the word of the Lord, But shall not find it. 13 "In that day the fair virgins And strong young men Shall faint from thirst. 14 Those who swear by the sin of Samaria, Who say, 'As your god lives, O Dan!' And, 'As the way of Beersheba lives!' They shall fall and never rise again." (Amos 8)The context is the entire sin of Israel (cf. v. 2, “The end has come upon My people Israel”). Dan is being used as shorthand for Samaria which is a reference to the northern tribes.
Dan was not a good guy...
So what? Most of them we not “good guys”. You’re cherry picking verses to make an unsupportable claim.
Interestingly, we see Dan identified with Ezekiel’s idealistic temple in Ezek. 48.
Now these are the names of the tribes: From the northern border along the road to Hethlon at the entrance of Hamath, to Hazar Enan, the border of Damascus northward, in the direction of Hamath, there shall be one section for Dan from its east to its west side;Your assertions are obviously not taking everything we read in the Bible into account.
Joseph replaces Ephraim and Levi replaces Dan who was wholly given over to Baal worship...
But that is but a theory, an excuse, if you will. It does not support your earlier contention that “ all the tribes” of Israel are represented in Rev. 7.
I see Manasses only once...
Once on his own and once as the half tribe of Joseph. Actually, he is counted one and half times, sorry for the confusion.
So we are left with the fact that you have not done your homework as to the symbolism behind the one hundred and forty four thousand in the book of Revelation. You simplistic solutions do not account for all we know from the rest of the Bible.
Amen! Israel is the apple of His eye. Zechariah 2:8 For thus says the LORD of hosts: "He sent Me after glory, to the nations which plunder you; for he who touches you touches the apple of His eye.
And we are commanded to pray for the peace of Israel as well. Psalm 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: "May they prosper who love you.
Isaiah 2:2-5 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it. Many people shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations, and rebuke many people; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war anymore. O house of Jacob, come and let us walk In the light of the LORD.
Now, I'm pretty certain THAT hasn't happened yet. :)
More humor, I see! LOL.
Or shall we consider it pathos!
RATIONALIZATIONS REPLACEMENTARIANS PLAY!
No, there is not 'little' doubt...There is NO doubt...
No, you have no doubt. Not the same thing.
GOOD FOR YOU!
I’M CERTAIN
It hasn’t happened yet!
What do the REPLACEMENTARIANS DO with such crystal clear Scriptures about ISRAEL’s future role in such things???
LOOK THE OTHER WAY?
DENY?
SHUFFLE AND MUTTER?
PRETEND THEY’RE HAVING A NIGHTMARE?
Amazing.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.Manasses is a half tribe of Joseph. Joseph minus the half tribe Ephraim leaves only the half tribe Manasses. Manasses is counted twice.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
I get up to get a drink and you get to it first. Good post.
12,000 from 12 tribes is what I’ve learned. M
YUP.
THX.
LUB
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