Prophecy Pundits are at it Again

American Vision ^ | February 23, 2009 | Gary DeMar

[topcat54]

Calvary Chapel of Chino California held “ The Southern California Prophecy Conference” last week (Feb. 20–22, 2009). I wonder if those who came to hear speakers like Tim LaHaye, Mark Hitchcock, Paul McGuire, David Hocking, David Reagan, and Ed Hindson were aware that Chuck Smith, the founder of the Calvary Chapel network of churches, made some very definite predictions about when the “rapture” was going to take place.

While cleaning up my office, I came across a cassette tape of a sermon Chuck Smith preached on December 31, 1979. He told his very accepting audience on that day that the rapture would take place in 1981. The former Soviet Republic going into Afghanistan in August of 1978 was the prelude to what Smith considered to be a full-force invasion of the Middle East. It would not be long before “Russia” would invade Israel, Smith told his audience. All of this was said to have been “predicted” by Ezekiel 2600 years ago.

Smith went on to claim in his end-of-the-year message of 30 years ago that because of ozone depletion Revelation 16:8 would be fulfilled during the soon-coming Great Tribulation: “And the fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun; and it was given to it to scorch men with fire.” According to Smith, Halley’s Comet would pass near the earth in 1986 and would wreck atmospheric havoc for those left behind as debris from its million-mile tail pummeled the earth. Halley’s Comet did appear in 1986 with no damage done to our planet. (A similar prelude to the end had been predicted based on the so-called Jupiter Effect.[1]) ...

[topcat54]

”God lists the 12 tribes as HE determines who they are...It may not be the same 12 tribes that started out initially but so what???”

So you agree, then, that the nation of Israel with whom God made a Covenant is not the same nation of Israel in Revelation? The entire bloodline of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are not there.

Either that or God is very fickle. Take the poor tribe of Dan, for example. One minute it’s in, then it’s out, then it’s back in again (according to futurism).

[Quix]

Essentially, it does not matter WHICH of the blood descendants God decrees to fill the bill for the 12 tribes.

Even on tribe reaping the promises God promised to the blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

would flush REPLACEMENTARIAN PRETERIST HOGWASH DOWN THE TOILET WHOLESALE.

[raynearhood]

Your frothing at the fingers

Of all your replies, this is the first I can remember that brought a smile to my face. At least the above statement did. "Frothing at the fingers..." I like it. I've personally used: "I could keep driving home the point until I'm blue in the fingers, but..." Anyhow, I'll probably use it in the future.

It's also rather mystifying psychologically. Why would anyone calling themselves "Christian" work so hard to call God a liar?

I call myself a Christian because I have been justified by faith through the redemptive work of Christ. I have never called God a liar. I simply call your interpretation of Scripture incorrect, your theology silly, and your attempts to exegete newspapers against Scripture misguided.

I haven't laid out all the involved verses and considered all the nuances of that issue.

Until you have, and can reply intelligently without invective assaults and empty arguments, your frothing at the fingers will be ignored on this issue.

[MissDairyGoodnessVT]

I’ll throw myself on the mercy of g-d.

[topcat54]

Until you have, and can reply intelligently without invective assaults and empty arguments, your frothing at the fingers will be ignored on this issue.

Don't hold your breath. I've been trying to get him to say something intelligent for quite some time now. Nothing has worked. Like trying to get rid of a harmless but annoying insect.

I suspect he's hiding his abject ignorance of the Bible behind all these cutsie/colorful phrases.

[raynearhood]

Don't hold your breath.

I won't. I've been back and forth with Quix before on different, but similar issues of interpretation. The body of the argument has always been the same.

[Quix]

Glad to be of humor service.

Y’all will likely need a lot of humor when the truth begins to slap y’all upside the faces eventually.

[topcat54]

Y’all will likely need a lot of humor when the truth begins to slap y’all upside the faces eventually.

HAH!!!

Now that's funny. Same tune we've been hearing from the futurists "any day now" crowd for decades.

You Israeloholics can tap us on the shoulder when we're supposed to take you seriously, which, from the looks of things won't be anytime soon.

[Quix]

Given that you don’t take God’s Word seriously in terms of

GOD ALMIGHTY’S PROPHECIES

REGARDING

THE BLOOD DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB

looks like I’m in GREAT COMPANY.

[topcat54]

looks like I’m in GREAT COMPANY.

Here they are:

[raynearhood]

Man, I wish I had hair that good.

[topcat54]

Man, I wish I had hair that good.

Not sure. I think whatever they put in it must affect their brain.

[raynearhood]

I think whatever they put in it must affect their brain.


Whatever they put in it, I'd avoid... but just to have the hair to put it in.... oh, that would be glorious.