Bishop Ad van Luyn
(photo: Diocese of Rotterdam)
Pope Benedict XVI
Professor Jean-Pierre Wils (2009)
Photo: Radboud University
Posted on 02/02/2009 10:50:10 AM PST by annalex
|
|
A professor of theology and ethics at the Roman Catholic Radboud University in Nijmegen is leaving the church over the issue. Professor Jean-Pierre Wils told Radio Netherlands Worldwide
[More at source...]
(Excerpt) Read more at radionetherlands.nl ...
I read that more people attend SSPX Sunday masses in France than attend the regular Catholic Sunday masses in the French dioceses.
Maybe there was nothing new about this so it was ignored. Some always think they can run the Church better than the Pope.
Yes. Ping to my 20.
Here are two articles I found in the Chicago SunTimes regarding this issue. I spent about a minute looking and there are probably more.
Pope lifts excommunications of 4 bishops , which discusses Williamson's denial of the holocaust and objections from Jews.
Thanks ...
Interesting ... given today’s media, simply mentioning that the early Church was persecuted by Jewish authorities would probably be condemned as anti-Semitic.
I read some very amusing speculation by a blogger (it was a joke, not really speculation) that maybe BXVI was hurrying because he was going to appoint Fellay the new Abp of Westminster! LOL!
But you’re right, they’ll never be anything in the wider Church, although it is true that there’s nothing to stop some other Traditionalist from eventually becoming a bishop. It makes the liberals irrational with fear.
That’s because — I speculate on my own — the Holocaust is one very recent example of a developed, highly cultured democratic nation slipping into a moral abyss gradually. We don’t expect another Mongol invasion, nor even another bolshevik atheist revolution, but electing a charismatic leader who identifies a plausible enemy within is always a possibility in a democracy.
The mass media tends to overlook important developing stories in culture and religion. This is FR’s job to bring the news that matter from overlooked sources. I posted it on the Religion forum and the responses to the thread indicate that this is a topic that continues to interest some Freepers even in the wake of the Superbowl.
Is the Dutch church still the amputated stump it was 25 - 30 years ago?
Was Russia not highly cultured? Was it not, after the abdication of the Tsar, democratic?
Were not the kulaks the enemy within?
There’s another pathology at work here besides simple anti-semitism. Noting one does not excuse the other.
The Catholic Church in the Netherlands is a museum piece, kept around for the benefit of tourists and to allow the Dutch to congratulate themselves on their tolerance of the Catholic remnant which was not driven out during their wars against the Habsburgs.
Having said that, there are still very observant Dutch Reformed congregations in the Netherlands, but they have been conditioned to believe that separation of church and state requires them to completely set their religious convictions aside when considering political issues.
I agree with you very much: the ignorance of the Lenin/Stalin butchery is in stark contrast with the iconic status given the Holocaust.
Still, I can see how Russia that abolished serfdom in mid-19c., and monarchy only months before the bolshevik putsch would be less of a surprise of savagery than Germany in mid-20c. It has a bit of a trainwreck in India syndrome.
That is a fair point. Certainly the SSPX have grown some preposterous theology on their own, as well as keeping Jansenism alive and well.
I imagine (I don’t know but it would be standard practice) that the recommunicants have not been given the cure of souls.
Yes, there’s virtually nothing left of the Dutch Church. Except for the little Traditionalist niches, of course!
Hehe. Or as I like to say - "Klepto-marxism? In Africa?
Balance, please! Papacy is divine monarchy, but not a dictatorship, and not a plantation. It is a hallmark of bad popes to act like they owned the place. The Pope has the duty to steer the flock to salvation and protect the Catholic orthodoxy. In this task, may God give him strength for many, many years.
One of the problems of being separated from the Church is that things that initially might have been minor overemphases can then turn into full-blown theological errors or at lest potentially erroneous theories.
In addition, some of these bishops no doubt brought in things that had nothing to do with religion but were responses to social conditions at the time they separated from the Church. Williamson is known to be very misogynistic, for example - because he was an Anglican who became Catholic at the time that the Anglicans were talking about ordaining women. I think some of the anti-semitism comes from the fact that Jews, in France as elsewhere, are generally very socially and politically leftwing, and that conflicted with the views of some of the SSPX (I think at least one of the French bishops was somewhat of a monarchist).
Fortunately, they don’t seem to have elevated any contradictory doctrines, though, and I think the Pope wants to get them back before such a thing happens.
The SSPX’s stronghold is France, and that is where they face most opposition from modernizers. I wouldn’t be surprised if Holland is in the same mold.
The SSPX thinkers are very good in identifying problems in the Church, which is a natural benefit of their vantage point. One every of the following topics that come to mind, they had something useful to say to all of us:
- sacred liturgy
- Catholic absolute identification with the body of Christ
- freedom of conscience and its meaning to a Catholic
- true ecumenism
- modernity, carnality and neo-paganism
All these have a great potential to be politically incorrect. That, in turn, provides safe harbor for people of every description, including anti-Semites, who see themselves as victims of political correctness.
Full communion of SSPX will do wonders for the Church as a whole. We at FR should double our prayers for His Holiness. May God give him strength and a long pontificate.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
