Posted on 01/19/2009 4:40:38 PM PST by gpk9
Religion is the problem, just like government is the problem.
In both cases people have beliefs that don't fit reality.
In both cases people try to push their beliefs on other people.
In both cases people believe in fairytales that just aren't true. They have no factual support.
In both cases people believe "faith" should substitute for facts, like with Obama for instance, and Bush for that matter, and "going to heaven" for instance, and an "ever-burning hell" for that matter.
In both cases you can't say what you think.
In both cases you have to be "politically correct."
In both cases people are generally of poor character.
In both cases people have little or no integrity.
In both cases people have little or no honesty.
In both cases people have very thin skin, and can't take criticism.
In both cases people think they're better than everyone else.
Pot, kettle, black, speck, moat, etc. etc.
This is now your thin-skinned Admin Moderator asking you to go whinge somewhere other than any thread on the Religion Forum, period.
Now that several of you have indicted your intelligence by equating Christianity with God, allow me to set the record straight.
1) Christianity has nothing to do with God nor Christ.
Christianity is a set of beliefs and practices that contradict just about everything about God and Christ.
2) Christianity opposes just about everything in the Bible.
Nearly every single Christian belief diametrically opposes what the Bible clearly says.
3) Christianity is anti-God and anti-Christ, for reasons stated in #1 and #2.
4) America was not built upon Christian beliefs.
America was built upon Godly principles set forth in the Bible. Christianity opposes nearly every one of those principles.
To put it in simpler terms for you intellectually-challenged Christians out there, America was built upon following God’s Commandments. Christians universally believe following God’s Commandments is not necessary, and universally believe said commandments have been “done away.”
Following God’s Commandments, those higher-principles I mentioned in the other thread, is what produces honesty, integrity, and high character, as God clearly stated multiple times from Genesis to Revelation.
It logically follows that ignoring God’s Commandments, believing said commandments have been “done away”, as Christianity teaches as one of it’s basic doctrines, as Christians universally believe, would result in lack of honesty, lack of integrity, and lack of character, as God clearly stated multiple times from Genesis to Revelation, and is universally displayed by people who call themselves “Christian.”
5) Christianity’s “God” is not the Real God.
6) Christianity’s “Jesus” is not the Real Jesus The Christ, the Messiah, and soon-coming KING OF THE UNIVERSE, with all the power and authority of God Himself, who will destroy Christianity and all other false religions, as is clearly stated in the Bible.
The REAL Jesus kept His Father’s Commandments perfectly, told us to keep His Father’s Commandments perfectly, and made God’s Spirit availabe to us so we CAN keep His Father’s Commandments perfectly.
The REAL Jesus said “If you love Me, keep My Commandments. Do what I say. Those who keep My Commandments, who do what I say, are those who love me.”
... and yes, the REAL Jesus told us to keep His Father’s Commandments also.
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You are painting with a pretty broad brush there, dude. Perhaps you should be a little more specific about how, exactly, Christians are worshipping the wrong god and all that. Then it would be nice if you were a little more consistent from thread to thread about your own beliefs. The first post I noticed yesterday (really early in the morning) was where you flat out stated there was no God. Now you are talking about God in the Old Testament and New Testament almost as a messianic Jew, or a New Ager who picks and chooses the biblical commandments. Do you have specific beliefs that you feel Christians today have betrayed or are you just playing around throwing monkey wrenches into the religion threads to tic off people?
7) Faith is trusting God enough to do what God says, i.e. trusting God enough to keep His Commandments.
Which thread was that? I was talking about THIS thread.
Jumping to conclusions without checking the facts (as you did here) shows lack of integrity, just as I said.
And when YOU jump to conclusions, like the above statement, what does that say about YOUR integrity?
Do you not recognize that you are guilty of every sin you have accused others of committing?
Now that several of you have indicted your intelligence by equating Christianity with God, allow me to set the record straight.
No need for degrading anyone here. Most people equate Christianity with God (the God of Israel), even those who don't believe it. If you want to say otherwise, tell us why.
1) Christianity has nothing to do with God nor Christ.
Christianity is a set of beliefs and practices that contradict just about everything about God and Christ.
Howso? It's a premise, but you don't support it with anything.
2) Christianity opposes just about everything in the Bible.
Nearly every single Christian belief diametrically opposes what the Bible clearly says.
Again, howso? You give no proof here. In addition, from where do you derive your authority to interpret the Bible? You are neither an Apostle nor a successor to said Apostles.
In addition, different Christian groups have been debating what the Bible "clearly" says for something like 500 years. You need more proof to make a claim like this.
3) Christianity is anti-God and anti-Christ, for reasons stated in #1 and #2.
No proof, by virtue of the emptiness of #1 and #2.
4) America was not built upon Christian beliefs.
America was built upon Godly principles set forth in the Bible.
This I could possibly believe in with some qualifications. But you give nothing else to run with on that, only more of the assertion of #s 1-3, which are still erroneous.
5) Christianity’s “God” is not the Real God.
Unproven per the above. You need more proof, and not simply that based on your own personal interpretation of Scripture
6) Christianity’s “Jesus” is not the Real Jesus The Christ, the Messiah, and soon-coming KING OF THE UNIVERSE, with all the power and authority of God Himself, who will destroy Christianity and all other false religions, as is clearly stated in the Bible.
Your evidence for this? Those who have read the Bible and believed it know no other Jesus than that of Scripture, and you have not proven "Christianity's Jesus" to be anyone but Him. No other accounts exist short of brief historical accounts and heretical early documents. The Gnostics of the first few centuries, the Modernists of the last couple, and some in between have used other texts, but only have drawn heretical and sometimes bizarre conclusions.
7) Faith is trusting God enough to do what God says, i.e. trusting God enough to keep His Commandments.
Yes, it is. Christianity teaches that the morals of the Old Testament (i.e. The Commandments) are still true, and the Christian is expected to exceed the letter of the Law (e.g. thinking of adultery is adultery, divorce was only permitted due to the hardness of men's hearts and is not laudable, extreme unjust anger is like unto murder, etc.). The food laws were loosened (as shown by Peter's vision and Christ's response), and the temple laws were as well (Hellenic Christians did not go to temple, and there is no attempt to continue Temple worship per se after it was destroyed).
That there are jealous, lustful, boastful, prideful, angry, bitter, fallen, bad, or even evil Christians hardly suggests that Christianity teaches other than to follow the Commandments.
The only exception here might be if you have some other understanding of what God's Commandments are. Please state that if that is the case.
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To put it in simpler terms for you intellectually-challenged Christians out there(more with the insulting?), America was built upon following God’s Commandments. Christians universally believe following God’s Commandments is not necessary, and universally believe said commandments have been “done away.”
To believe that God's Commandments have been "done away with" is to be contrary to Christianity, for Christ Himself said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (Mt. 5:17, NIV). The proposition that Christianity believes that the morals of the Old Testament have been done away with is false.
Following God’s Commandments, those higher-principles I mentioned in the other thread, is what produces honesty, integrity, and high character, as God clearly stated multiple times from Genesis to Revelation.
I went back and read your idea about the "higher principles," and I'm afraid to say, simply can't buy it as written. You propose principles based on nothing, but rather that simply exist. I fear that such an approach would necessarily degrade into a Humian skepticism and eventually to pure relativism. In that case, you can say that we ought 'love' or 'care,' but without someone to base that upon, why ought we do it?
The Christian loves because God loves. The Christian seeks holiness because God is Holy. The Christian ought to seek the assistance of God to imitate that love and holiness. You have obviously (based on your posts in the other thread) been burned by some bad Christians. And for that I am truly sorry.
It logically follows that ignoring God’s Commandments, believing said commandments have been “done away”, as Christianity teaches as one of it’s basic doctrines, as Christians universally believe, would result in lack of honesty, lack of integrity, and lack of character, as God clearly stated multiple times from Genesis to Revelation, and is universally displayed by people who call themselves “Christian.”
As I said above, that belief is not one that Christianity teaches at all, let alone it being basic or universal. What is it that you mean by a lack of integrity, honesty, and character?
Feel free to respond if you'd like, or to ignore it if you don't care to. You will be in my prayers today.
So tell me exactly which is "THE" problem.
Let me try and fix that for you:
There is an FR purgatory?
I see you’ve set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. Thank you. We’re all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.
1) Christianity has nothing to do with God nor Christ.
Christianity is a set of beliefs and practices that contradict just about everything about God and Christ.
2) Christianity opposes just about everything in the Bible.
Nearly every single Christian belief diametrically opposes what the Bible clearly says.
3) Christianity is anti-God and anti-Christ, for reasons stated in #1 and #2.
4) America was not built upon Christian beliefs.
America was built upon Godly principles set forth in the Bible. Christianity opposes nearly every one of those principles.
To put it in simpler terms for you intellectually-challenged Christians out there, America was built upon following God’s Commandments. Christians universally believe following God’s Commandments is not necessary, and universally believe said commandments have been “done away.”
Following God’s Commandments, those higher-principles I mentioned in the other thread, is what produces honesty, integrity, and high character, as God clearly stated multiple times from Genesis to Revelation.
It logically follows that ignoring God’s Commandments, believing said commandments have been “done away”, as Christianity teaches as one of it’s basic doctrines, as Christians universally believe, would result in lack of honesty, lack of integrity, and lack of character, as God clearly stated multiple times from Genesis to Revelation, and is universally displayed by people who call themselves “Christian.”
5) Christianity’s “God” is not the Real God.
6) Christianity’s “Jesus” is not the Real Jesus The Christ, the Messiah, and soon-coming KING OF THE UNIVERSE, with all the power and authority of God Himself, who will destroy Christianity and all other false religions, as is clearly stated in the Bible.
The REAL Jesus kept His Father’s Commandments perfectly, told us to keep His Father’s Commandments perfectly, and made God’s Spirit availabe to us so we CAN keep His Father’s Commandments perfectly.
The REAL Jesus said “If you love Me, keep My Commandments. Do what I say. Those who keep My Commandments, who do what I say, are those who love me.”
... and yes, the REAL Jesus told us to keep His Father’s Commandments also.
My apologies. Since your initial post said not one word about "chr*stianity." It attacked religion. So naturally I and most other FReepers thought you were an atheist attacking the very concept of G-d.
We didn't know you were a religious whack-job with his own made-up one-person religion. You could have let us know at the outset. Unless it was your intention to be taken for an atheist all along.
When Christ spoke to crowds of people, there is no record of Him listening to people say “No, you’re wrong, here’s how it is.”
There is no record of Him doing that even when speaking with an individual person.
There is no record of the Apostles doing that either. Not with a crowd, nor with an individual person.
They simply spoke God’s word, and let it go at that.
Christ said He set an example for us to follow. I’m following it.
Are you Thomas Jefferson and cut out parts of the bible you don’t like?
I haven’t cut anything out of mine especially when Christ answered the questions put to him. Even by satan.
If you’re not going to address my points, please don’t ping me.
Oh really. That makes it plane to see that you really don't know the Jesus Christians believe in.
The REAL Jesus could, and would, and did, verbally hammer people to pieces when it was called for. But one thing will have to happen first. The moderators must stop censoring my comments. They must stop doing their "submit-for-review-before-being-posted" stuff.
Probably because all you've done so far is blovulate and not shown the ability to present your position. However, I think that you do not have the qualities of perfection that Jesus possesses which gave him the authority to hammer people.
Interesting perspective of Christ. Of course, if He is the God or Son of God as He claimed to be, His knowledge and perspective would be perfect. Therefore, one would not expect Him to be “talked out” of a position. As to the apostles, we do’t have much information of what they were or were not talked out of but I do believe there is record of them debating amongst themselves about the gospel (e.g., the issue of circumcizing converts, or eating kosher). If, however, you are looking to examples of whether God is “reasonable” or able to have His mind changed and not just a “my way or the highway” kind of guy, check out the stories of Abraham who was able to bargain about how many righteous people could save Sodom and Gomorrah, or the story of Jonah who was angry that God didn’t fulfil His prophecy of destroying Ninevah.
I don’t know whether your response here was snarky or really seeking. Since I have resolved not to judge motives, I have responded as if you were really seeking. And if you seek the scriptures and ponder and pray about them, you will find proof of a loving, righteous God in all He does. The rest is up to you but I would not push the limits on posting inflammatory threads and then running away. That defeats the purpose of a forum such as this. Either you care enough about your fellow Freepers to convince them you are right, or you don’t care at all and just enjoy tossing theological bombs. Which is it?
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