Posted on 12/27/2008 2:48:02 PM PST by NYer
Q. Why can’t Protestants receive communion at the Catholic Church?
A. To protect them from Judgment.
1 Corinthians 11: 27 Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be
guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
Since, Protestants do not believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist as we do, they do not discern or recognize that Jesus’ body is present under the appearance of bread and wine. We would be allowing them to eat and drink judgment upon themselves. The prohibtion is actually very charitable but, unfortunately, it is usually seen as a rejection.
Evidence of this interpretation of this passage is supported by St. Justin the Martyr :
“We call this food Eucharist; and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true…”
-Justin Martyr -FIRST APOLOGY, 66,20–(150 A.D.)
Q. Why do we call the bread “The Host”?
A. Our use of this term, to refer to the consecrated bread, comes from the Latin word hostia, which means ‘victim’. We believe that Jesus Christ is really present in the consecrated bread and wine on our altars. The mass is a re-presentation of the sacrificial death of Jesus on the cross. Therefore, Jesus is the victim of sacrifice and we call the bread the host/victim to help us remember that it is no longer bread but the Real Presence of our Lord Jesus Christ given to us to strengthen and keep us on the journey to Heaven.
No, you’re right, we don’t believe in the salvation of Satan or fallen (or unfallen!) angels. ;~)
Mote. Beam. Get a mirror.
You amuse me. :~)
Nice? The truth often hurts. That has been so since the first days and will be so until the final days. Get used to it.
The Muslims follow Jesus Christ and claim he was a prophet sent by God. When they worship "Allah" they say it's the same God as the one in the new and old testament that was first written down by Jews and then Christians. So, from a historic point of view, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are rooted in the same basic beliefs and have many of the same prophets, and the same holy books.
That being said, I think the Muslim view of Jesus is pretty far removed from what Christians see Jesus as. Muslims view Jesus as someone who was there to prepare the people for the coming of the "greatest" prophet, Muhammad. I think all Christians would say that's a heretical view and not based on anything the real Jesus actually taught.
So while Muslims follow Jesus and call him their savior, they're obviously not Christians and not teaching Christianity. I have the same problem with the Mormon beliefs about "Jesus", and think their view of Jesus is not the Christian Jesus... of course the difference is most Mormons are peaceful friendly types whereas alot of Muslims are violent psychopaths who believe everyone should convert to Islam or die.
Good. One hopes that your amusement will lead to study, prayer and discernment.
And I answered:
If they have a personal relationship with Christ, and have accepted Him through faith as their Savior, then yes! Where have I argued otherwise?
Now I put the question to you. Can Protestants be in a state of Grace and saved, with the communion we celebrate?
True, though in the first 100 years or so of Christianity, the Jews at the time didn't think of Christians as a new religion, but rather as a Jewish Heresy, and a bunch of renegade Jews causing problems in the temples by worshiping a false messiah. It wasn't until later that Christianity was seen as a distinct, separate religion.
I bet people who know you best run when they see you coming!
As a Catholic my own opinion on that would be that some protestants (probably most of them) can certainly be in state of grace and saved, though it has nothing to do with their "communion" ceremony.
In the case of some protestant groups like Baptists, all they're doing is eating bread and remembering Jesus death when they do it. That won't matter at all when they're in the afterlife, anymore than if a Hindu ate some bread and drank some juice while thinking about Jesus' death.
HOW they live their lives and IF they accept the one true God will determine if they are in a state of grace and saved, not their bread and grape juice ritual.
Self-righteous and holier-than-thou meet narses, narses meet self-righteous and holier-than-thou!
(((((Hugs))))My Heart is with My Lord Jesus.Everett the Catholics believe it is really God to go to Communion from a Catholic Priests.
huh?! lol :~) Can you explain, please, what you mean to say?
So which Protestants would not be in a state of grace and saved? you say that only some would be...
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
You, My hearts in London - Everett, come across as a nice, open-minded person who probably is a friend to many, with many friends.
Very sorry,:)(((((Hugs)))) Posted to the wrong post.Are you in London?Tell us everything:)
But it's up to Jesus to determine who's heart has shown grace and salvation to be saved. As a mortal I can merely venture a guess.
And I don't think the Catholic church has ever claimed you need to take the Catholic sacrament of communion to be saved. However, the sacrament of communion that Jesus instituted is believed to be the only way of directly being filled with Jesus himself while on earth. Some Protestant "communion" ceremonies don't bring you close to Jesus at all, as I said, they're merely chewing on bread and thinking about Jesus' death.
The Baptist Churches I've attended have welcomed all Christians to partake.
I was raised Catholic.
I recovered.
I'm saving up comments for a general post later in the thread, but this is absolutely not correct. First Eucharist, or Communion and Confirmation are two different sacraments and at this time in history Eucharist comes before Confirmation by a number of years. What parish you belong to doesn't matter. It's being a member IN FULL COMMUNION, meaning one has presented oneself in the Sacrament of Penance for absolution first and is free of serious sin that matters. Receiving Eucharist in a state of mortal sin is itself a grave sin. Who is in this state, we don't know, but God Almighty does. Therefore, people are not called out on it.
Anybody who is Catholic or claims to know Catholicism should be able to articulate that.
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