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DU - The church's position on this is clear, God the Father is the literal father of Jesus Christ because Jesus is the only begotten of the father, but here was no sex because Mary was a virgin. How was it "done" we don't exactly know, the power of the holy Ghost did it in some way.

Diamond - I happened to see the statement above while perusing the thread.

Diamond - You say that the teaching is clear, but how is it then that you don't exactly know how it was done, since you do know how you yourself were naturally begotten by your mortal father?

I have my mother and my father's word on that. The teaching of the church is clear, Mary was a virgin, virgin has a specific meaning. It means someone who has not had sex.

Diamond - According to Bruce McConkie, Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers; Jesus "was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events,... Christ is the Son of Man, meaning that his Father (the Eternal God!) is a Holy Man."

Yep, Bruce R McConkie is a relative of mine, and he said that. He did not mean to say that God defiled Mary, He also taught that Mary was a virgin during Christ's pregnancy and birth. Let's go to actual doctrine from canonized sources: Ist Nephi 11:15-20

15 And I said unto him: A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins.
16 And he said unto me: Knowest thou the condescension of God?
17 And I said unto him: I know that he loveth his children; nevertheless, I do not know the meaning of all things.
18 And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh.
19 And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit; and after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time the angel spake unto me, saying: Look!
20 And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms.

So, Mary was a virgin before, and immediately after Jesus was born. Jesus was fahered in a "Natuaral" way that did not require sex, but God did not say how.

Diamond - Do you disagree with McConkie and Kimball? Was Jesus begotten naturally, in the same way you were by your father, or not?

It's obvious you guys want us to believe this so badly, but it's just not what we believe.

Is my friend who had his wife artificially inseminated not his childrens natural father? Is he an un-natural father? I consider his children to be his in every way, the same as I am by my father.

Diamond - Cordially,

Diamond, let me make this simple, we believe in the virgin birth and that Jesus is literally the son of God in every way except that God did not have sex with Mary.

18 And he said unto me: Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God, after the manner of the flesh
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No DU

There was no “after the manner of the flesh” that caused Jesus to be the Son of God...

Mary remained a virigin until after Jesus was born and Mary was called a virgin because she did not have sex with a maqn or a “god” in order to concieve3 jesus...

To say that she did is blasphemy...

Mary was not and is not a “wife” or a “spirit wife” of God the Father ...

Jesus was fahered in a "Natuaral"(sic) way that did not require sex, but God did not say how.

Diamond, let me make this simple, we believe in the virgin birth and that Jesus is literally the son of God in every way except that God did not have sex with Mary.

Did he use a turkey baster? (sorry, that was light-minded) Did he artificially inseminate her? You seem to be pointing to something of that nature.

(and no, I won't capitalize the spelling for that kind of god.)

Bruce R McConkie is a relative of mine, and he said that. He did not mean to say that God defiled Mary
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But he did anyway...

Blasphemy is a favorite pastime for mormons...

And he never apologied for saying it ....

Nor ever wrote a retraction...

I have my mother and my father's word on that. ...

I'll take your word on how it happened. No need for the details. You were naturally begotten by your father.

... The teaching of the church is clear, Mary was a virgin, virgin has a specific meaning. It means someone who has not had sex.

What Kimball's statement means, then, you did not say. Again, what he said was,

I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my saviour Jesus Christ.

Are you saying that a virgin, meaning someone who has not had sex, conceiving is something in the normal and natural course of events? If so, how is being begotten by a Holy Man, and conceived and born of a virgin the same as the way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers, the way you were by your father, the way your father was, and also the way Jesus Christ was?

That teaching is not clear at all. It seems like double talk. Logically, being begotten by a Holy Man, and conceived and born of a virgin is NOT the same as NOT being begotten by a Holy Man, and conceived and born of a virgin the way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.

Cordially,