Joseph Smith’s Modalism: Sabellian Sequentialism or Swedenborgian Expansionism?

Institute for Religious Research ^ | 2006 | Ronald V. Huggins

[Elsie]

The doctrine of the church is established by what is canon of the church, none of the sources you quote have been canonized.

Sorry Delphi - but one of your dead ex-Living Prophets® done trumped that!

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AKA 14 points

  
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray. 
 

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

[Elsie]

In effect, prophecy by committee!

Committee my *!

12 Yesmen - BAH!

Who needs 'em??

Can't the Living Prophet® just get his stuff from GOD the way the Prophets of old did?

Why the re-assurance needed that the LP is not jivin' on ya?

[Elsie]

Jesus was fahered in a "Natuaral"(sic) way that did not require sex, but God did not say how.

[Elsie]

My head is spinning...anybody got any aspirin, tylenol, advil??

       

 

 

http://www.transparencynow.com/claritin/claritin.htm

[Elsie]

....really I am thinking of popping a few, unless my head explodes before I get to the medicine cabinet.

GMTA!!!

[Elsie]

I will answer, but this is beginning to look like the other threads where all the antis gang up, post a lot of “stuff” trying to get a thread locked with theirs being the last word.

Ping yer list if you can't cut it.

BTW - thanks for the

Thread Locking Warning!!

[Tennessee Nana]

even the wicked receive it through the grace of Jesus Christ, and shall have the privilege of living forever, but they will have to pay the price of their sins in torment with the devil before they are redeemed.
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That’s not what Jesus said...

Jhn 3:18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. John 3:18-21

Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. Matthew 13:49-51

Obviously Jesus wanted us to read and understand that the wicked have no place with the just...

Also pray that we may be rescued from worthless and evil people, since not everyone shares our faith. 2 Thessalonians 3:2

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath He reconciled

Col 1:22 In the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight:

Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Colossians 1:20-23

Be careful, brothers and sisters, that none of you ever develop a wicked, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. Hebrews 3:12

And there is no further work after we die and go to Heaven...

Hbr 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Hbr 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.

Hbr 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Hebrews 4:9-11

[Tennessee Nana]

Jesus was fahered in a “Natuaral”(sic) way that did not require sex, but God did not say how.
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Gosh I always thought He did...

for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. Matthew 1:20

Luk 1:34: Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Luke 1:34, 35

You mean the smaerwasr man in the world...

Well Joseph Smith claimed that he was.../

couldnt figure that out for himself ????

He didnt know how God did it in a divind way...

So he just made something up ???

Something of the earth (and of “natural man”) and not supernatural ???

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

That’s known as ignorant...

led away by dumb devils...

jest plain dumb...

ignorance gone to seed...

“a natural way that did not require sex” ?????

WOW

[colorcountry]

Diamond, let me make this simple, we believe in the virgin birth and that Jesus is literally the son of God in every way except that God did not have sex with Mary.

Did he use a turkey baster? (sorry, that was light-minded) Did he artificially inseminate her? You seem to be pointing to something of that nature.

(and no, I won't capitalize the spelling for that kind of god.)

[greyfoxx39]

vodka martini? ;)

[Tennessee Nana]

Bruce R McConkie is a relative of mine, and he said that. He did not mean to say that God defiled Mary
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But he did anyway...

Blasphemy is a favorite pastime for mormons...

And he never apologied for saying it ....

Nor ever wrote a retraction...

[greyfoxx39]

Mary was not and is not a “wife” or a “spirit wife” of God the Father ...

Yeah, just who IS this Mother God of this planet anyway? I don't expect Her to get second billing ahead of Jesus, but she doesn't seem to make the marquee at all!

A stay-at-home barefoot and pregnant gal, no "priesthood" for her, I guess.

[greyfoxx39]

BTW - thanks for the Thread Locking Warning!!

Yeah....It isn't to the benefit of the "antis" for the thread to be locked....it does make one wonder what influence is brought to bear to cause the thread lock.

WE sure don't have any!

[colorcountry]

If you look at the bottom of my soul, you will see a born again date - stamped May 2002. What day? I’m not certain......and I was 45 years old.

[ejonesie22]

Simple. I don't know how you missed it...

[cruise_missile]

Looks like I doooo know Mormonism better than thouest:

Apostle McConkie declared that Jesus was begotten in the normal way:
And so, in the final analysis it is the faithful saints, those who have testimonies of the truth and divinity of this great latter-day work, who declare our Lord’s generation to the world. Their testimony is that Mary’s son is God’s Son; that he was conceived and begotten in the normal way; that he took upon himself mortality by the natural birth processes; that he inherited the power of mortality from his mother and the power of immortality from his Father—in consequence of all of which he was able to work out the infinite and eternal atonement. (The Promised Messiah, Bruce McConkie, pp. 472-473)

You need to watch more conferences. :-)

Be careful who you call fool. ;-)

You said:
“Personally, I pity the fool who ticks him off by insulting his mother, and then sits before him on judgment day.”

So does this include Bruce McConkie. :-0

SWISH!!

I can find more. I think this obscene doctrine (I think winter called your doctrine pornographic) started with Good ole’ Brigham old bring emm young.

[Tennessee Nana]

I dont remember the actual date... just the year...1957

I was 8...

But I remember the details..

And how I felt at the time...

My point was that either you have a born again experience ...

That you can remember...

And pin point as the day you were saved...

And (maybe) a date or an approximate date..

That you can point to...

Or you dont...

I have not seen a post by DU where he stated he had been born again the way Jesus said God the Father requires us to be...

Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3

[cruise_missile]

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My paste got stuck. Sorry.

[cruise_missile]

lit·er·al (ltr-l)
adj.
1. Being in accordance with, conforming to, or upholding the exact or primary meaning of a word or words.
2. Word for word; verbatim: a literal translation.
3. Avoiding exaggeration, metaphor, or embellishment; factual; prosaic: a literal description; a literal mind.
4. Consisting of, using, or expressed by letters: literal notation.
5. Conforming or limited to the simplest, nonfigurative, or most obvious meaning of a word or words.

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May I present the Mormon Doctrine:

Apostle McConkie explained that there was nothing figurative about Mary’s conception:

And so it is with the Eternal Father and the mortal birth of the Eternal Son. The Father is a Father is a Father; he is not a spirit essence or nothingness to which the name Father is figuratively applied. And the Son is a Son is a Son; he is not some transient emanation from a divine essence, but a literal, living offspring of an actual Father. ... There is nothing figurative or hidden or beyond comprehension in our Lord’s coming into mortality. He is the Son of God in the same sense and way that we are the sons of mortal fathers. (The Promised Messiah, pp. 468-469)

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie explained:

God the Father is a perfected, glorified, holy Man, an immortal Personage. And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says. (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 742)

“Father” as Literal Parent ... God the Eternal Father, whom we designate by the exalted name-title “Elohim,” is the literal Parent of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and of the spirits of the human race. Elohim is the Father in every sense in which Jesus Christ is so designated, and distinctively He is the Father of spirits. ... Jesus Christ is the Son of Elohim both as spiritual and bodily offspring; that is to say, Elohim is literally the Father of the spirit of Jesus Christ and also of the body in which Jesus Christ performed His mission in the flesh, and which body died on the cross and was afterward taken up by the process of resurrection, and is now the immortalized tabernacle of the eternal spirit of our Lord and Savior. (Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 4, pp. 1670-1671)

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That cousin of yours. I probably agree with you not a smart move to say that. And I mean that Literally! ;-)

[cruise_missile]

President Brigham Young implied that Mary was actually the wife of God: “The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband.” (Deseret News, Oct. 10, 1866) Apostle Orson Pratt confirmed that Mary was, in fact, the “wife of God” and also went on to try to justify what would seem to be an immoral act:

UNCLE????