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Is evolution fact?
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Posted on 12/14/2008 8:37:32 AM PST by tpanther

Strength For The Journey New Creation People Part 1 August 4, 2005 Is Evolution A Fact?

READ: Genesis 2:1-7, Hebrews 11:1-3

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God. —Hebrews 11:3The theory of evolution is not without its problems. One scientist says this about life starting on its own: "Amino acids would have to be arranged in an exact sequence to form a protein . . . just like the letters in a sentence. Mere laws of chemistry and physics cannot do that. The probability of a protein forming by chance would be 1064 [10 with 64 zeros after it] to 1!"

Many people assume the theory of evolution to be true. But can it be scientifically proven? Something is considered scientifically true only if it can be repeatedly verified under laboratory conditions. The claim that life sprang up on its own out of a long impersonal process cannot pass this test of truth. That is why evolution remains only a theory.

So if you're ever tempted to doubt the Genesis account of the creation story, consider the alternative. The odds against even a simple protein creating itself are astronomical. How much more reasonable to believe God and His Word: "By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible" (Hebrews 11:3).

Isn't it more reasonable to believe that God designed and created the universe? (Genesis 1:1). — Dennis Fisher

All things bright and beautiful, All creatures great and small, All things wise and wonderful— The Lord God made them all. —Alexander

All creation points to the almighty Creator.


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To: Buck W.
In that regard, evolution and Christianity are completely compatible.

You say that; but I posted Scripture showing it to be wrong.

221 posted on 12/16/2008 8:29:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mnehrling
As CS Lewis said, Science teaches us how God created the world, the Bible teaches us why.

If that is an accurate quote; let me correct it:

ScienTISTS teache us how they thinkGod created the world...

222 posted on 12/16/2008 8:31:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mnehrling
As CS Lewis said, Science teaches us how God created the world, the Bible teaches us why.

If that is an accurate quote; let me correct it:

ScienTISTS teaches us how they thinkGod created the world...

223 posted on 12/16/2008 8:31:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Actually, science just investigates how things work.

Every now and then someone makes claims about the moment of creation — big bang anyone? — but the beginning of existence is a bit more elusive than that.


224 posted on 12/16/2008 8:36:07 AM PST by js1138
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To: tpanther
Well, that is everything but origins.

There are plenty of scientists that investigate "origins," be they the origins of the universe or the origins or life on Earth.

You have simply erroneously concluded that because evolution does not implicate "origins," that scientists are somehow avoiding that question.

Once again, you are seeking to use your own ignorance of science as a bludgeon.

225 posted on 12/16/2008 8:44:55 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Buck W.

no, evolution on it’s face was dreamed up to create doubt about God’s creation. That is just a fact. And any deep and honest looking into the facts show the falicy of evolution...macro that is. The transitional fossil evidence simply is not there. They try and show some fossils as possible transitionals but the clear millions or at least many thousands of life forms morphing into others just are absent. That is a fact that even renown museum directors acknowledge.
And what you said about complexity is the darkside thinking through your head, not you. If we look at the complexity of a watch, reason shows you that it was created by an intellegent being..FACT. So when we look at the complexity of the dna code and how it sets into motion all of our body’s functions, all which must be precise for us to live happy lives...a creator simply had to make it...FACT.
Please take a look at www.fhu.com if you would like to live more from your commonsense.


226 posted on 12/16/2008 9:02:20 AM PST by fabian
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To: Elsie

“You say that; but I posted Scripture showing it to be wrong.”

Yet you posted earlier that Scripture is figurative. I agree with that. Your post is therefore not proof.


227 posted on 12/16/2008 9:05:07 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: fabian

“And what you said about complexity is the darkside thinking through your head, not you.”

If your argument is gong to descend to the realm of ghouls and goblins, then I believe that I can safely say that my argument prevails.


228 posted on 12/16/2008 9:07:35 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw
There are plenty of scientists that investigate "origins," be they the origins of the universe or the origins or life on Earth.

You have simply erroneously concluded that because evolution does not implicate "origins," that scientists are somehow avoiding that question.

Once again, you are seeking to use your own ignorance of science as a bludgeon.

I think the problem is that creationists are wont to define as an "evolutionist" any scientist with whom they disagree, and in doing so they lump us all together.

This ignores the relative progress that has been made among the different fields of research. The theory of evolution is a mature theory, and it is the smaller details that are now being worked out. Research into origins is in its embryonic stages, still gathering data, performing experiments, and testing hypotheses.

229 posted on 12/16/2008 9:13:20 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Buck W.

not at all...did you read the reat of my post? Can you refute the logic of it with reason? Not possible...


230 posted on 12/16/2008 9:17:30 AM PST by fabian
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To: tpanther
It really is too bad that some people's Faith is so weak that its disturbed by a Fact.

(::::See my Tagline::::)

231 posted on 12/16/2008 9:37:22 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: fabian
If we look at the complexity of a watch, reason shows you that it was created by an intellegent being..FACT. So when we look at the complexity of the dna code and how it sets into motion all of our body’s functions, all which must be precise for us to live happy lives...a creator simply had to make it...FACT.

If there is a level of complexity that requires a supernatural force to achieve, could you please explain the maximum level of complexity achievable by natural forces absent a supernatural actor?

232 posted on 12/16/2008 9:52:48 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

It would be interesting if Dembski or some similar math inclined ID advocate would just tell us what units complexity is measured in.


233 posted on 12/16/2008 9:55:02 AM PST by js1138
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To: Bosh Flimshaw
There are plenty of scientists that investigate "origins," be they the origins of the universe or the origins or life on Earth.

Common knowledge strawman.

You have simply erroneously concluded that because evolution does not implicate "origins," that scientists are somehow avoiding that question.

Whistling past the graveyard does not a point make, and the issue has little to do with scientists or science, but the godless liberal NEA crowd injecting their ideology into science.

Once again, you are seeking to use your own ignorance of science as a bludgeon.

Neither do liberal projections make a point.

234 posted on 12/16/2008 9:55:40 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: DoctorMichael

It’s a shame some people think the conservative position is to sue scientists, siding with the godless libeal NEA ideology because they have hang-ups with God.

Oh and evolution is theory, not fact.


235 posted on 12/16/2008 10:01:33 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: fabian

Yes, I did read the rest of your post. Generously stated, your facts are rather thin, and they refute themselves. I stand by earlier assertions.


236 posted on 12/16/2008 10:05:26 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
Of course there is. Wallace even wrote a book called "Darwinism".

It's funny, the evos make cracks about facts and faith. And bludgeoning others with ignorance.

Arrogant projections and parroting the same failed tired debunked nonsense.

Science really should be looking into the disease that is the mental illness of liberalism.

I'm convinced it's the major problem confronting this country right now.

237 posted on 12/16/2008 10:08:04 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tpanther
Common knowledge

Apparently not, judging by your posts.

And, do you get paid a nickel every time you type the words "godless liberal NEA," or do you really think that the GLNEA is responsible for modern evolution theory being accepted by the overwhelmingly vast bulk of scientists in the world?

238 posted on 12/16/2008 10:08:53 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: tpanther

“It’s a shame some people think the conservative position is to sue scientists, siding with the godless libeal NEA ideology because they have hang-ups with God.

Oh and evolution is theory, not fact.”

Yes—evolution is a theory. However, it does pretty closely explain the “how” of creation. Creation, that is, which is entirely consistent with evolution. “Evolutionints” have no hang-up with God. They merely use their God-given reasoning to understand the clues that God left behind.


239 posted on 12/16/2008 10:09:09 AM PST by Buck W. (BHO: Selling hope, keeping the change.)
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To: js1138
It would be interesting if Dembski or some similar math inclined ID advocate would just tell us what units complexity is measured in.

Fictons.

240 posted on 12/16/2008 10:15:15 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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