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1 posted on 12/03/2008 10:19:06 PM PST by voiceinthewind
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apostasy


2 posted on 12/03/2008 10:22:42 PM PST by thesetruths
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

3 posted on 12/03/2008 10:25:47 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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Well, isn’t that special...


4 posted on 12/03/2008 10:25:58 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Democracy, two wolves and one sheep deciding what's for dinner.)
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He sounds...well...gay.


5 posted on 12/03/2008 10:27:01 PM PST by Prokopton
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he’s also an environmental wacko


6 posted on 12/03/2008 10:27:27 PM PST by thesetruths
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“..Give the biblical point of view a different slant...”

Satan said something along the same line in the Garden of Eden and his servants are working overtime these days. Absolutely a wolf in Sheep's clothing.

9 posted on 12/03/2008 10:35:24 PM PST by 444Flyer (Hellfighter-John 3 :1-36)
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Richard Cizik? Never heard of him before.

Leader? No he is not.

NAE is to Christendom what the NEA is to the teaching profession. The NAE, National Association of Evangelicals, is liberal and apostate.

Shock? No, this is not a shock to actual Bible-believing practicing Christians, which we have observed in the lives of “evangelicals, does not describe any segment of the NAE.

The NAE at BEST represents a divided and undermining testimony in the “Christian” sphere.

We would not recommend that any new Christian ever join a church that iis affiliated with the NAE, and we always encourage Christians with a godly interest in serving Christ, to come out from among such and be separate.

45,000 churches . . . apostate bunch.

There are many more than 45,000 Christian churches which do NOT belong and would not belong to the NAE.


10 posted on 12/03/2008 10:35:33 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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http://tinyurl.com/5bjkxw

In addition to his position with the NAE, Cizik sits on the advisory boards of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and the Institute on Religion and Public Policy.

Cizik has been criticized for his environmentalism by fellow evangelicals and conservatives.[3] He has responded to some of these critics by asking whether his critics are possibly being influenced by their close ties to the conservative movement or oil and gas companies.

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Richard Cizik wants evangelicals to reach out to Barack Obama as he takes on his new role. I just spoke with Cizik, who is the vice president for governmental affairs of the National Association of Evangelicals.

“I think anybody who doesn’t see the extraordinary significance of the first African American being elected the United States, they’re missing history. I think it’s an extraordinary moment in American history. I have to say, I never really believed I’d be able to see the day that I would see an African American or any minority would be elected the president of the United States. I never thought it would happened. “

“America is changing. The religious communities of America are changing, too. Anybody who doesn’t understand that the multi-racial nature of American politics today fails to capture what’s happening. The Republican Party has to be afraid that it’s monochromatic.”

“I suspect that millions upon millions of evangelicals around the world are extremely proud of America tonight. I’m confident that Barack Obama wants to unite this country. I hope the better angels of Obama’s nature triumph, and I frankly don’t agree with everything on him. I suspect there will be actions he takes I don’t agree with. I think it’s important to have the right attitude – the attitude of Christ – which is he needs our prayers and our support, even if we don’t agree with him.”

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Polluters will have to answer to God, not just government, according to Richard Cizik. Vice president of governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals, Cizik is a pro-Bush Bible-brandishing reverend zealously opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem-cell research. He is also on a mission to convert tens of millions of Americans to the cause of conservation, using a right-to-life framework. Cizik has been crisscrossing the U.S. in recent months, spreading the doctrine of “creation care” to evangelical Christians.

Thanks to his leadership, NAE, one of the most politically powerful religious advocacy groups in America, released a manifesto last year urging its members to adopt eco-friendly living habits and exhorting the government to lighten America’s environmental footprint. Next month, the organization will begin circulating a charter calling on its member network and top-level Beltway allies to fight global warming.

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HE SOUNDS TO ME LIKE HE IS NUTS!


14 posted on 12/03/2008 10:50:34 PM PST by kcvl
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... faults Palin for a “lack of humility” while voting for a man who has written two autobiographies prior to any meaningful accomplishment, stands on a stage with Greek pillars, and makes up a mock Presidential seal with his image.

Wow! This guy has GREAT discernment!


15 posted on 12/03/2008 10:51:38 PM PST by the_Watchman
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This chaps my tail. Went to their website to check for individual church membership - only denominations and organizations.

http://www.nae.net/index.cfm?fuseaction=nae.members&listId=organizations


17 posted on 12/03/2008 11:00:08 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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Evangelical Leader

No, smarmy opportunist!

20 posted on 12/03/2008 11:06:48 PM PST by GregoryFul
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Richard Cizik, spokesman for the NAE, which represents 45,000 US churches, told NPR yesterday that he voted for Obama in the Virginia primary but didn't want to reveal how he voted in the general election.

Another Evangelical leader I have never heard of before.

My own litmus test is that no Christian could vote for Obama under any circumstances. His abortion stand is simply demonic. So, while this guy may be an evangelical, he is not a Christian.

x, is your church a member of this organization? Have you ever heard of this guy before?

21 posted on 12/03/2008 11:08:20 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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The MSM (unfortunately, in this case, Lifesitenews as well) loves to portray the ‘Evangelicals’ as a monolithic block who vote 90% Republican in the same way Blacks vote 90% for Democrats. They’re not. Even Bush, who is seen as ‘the most Evangelical candidate’ in recent memory only received around 60%, IIRC. Just also remember that Carter was considered Evangelical as well.

So, it’s not shocking at all that there are many Evangelicals who vote Democrats. Note that whoever the guy this article mentions voted for 0bama. He never claimed himself to be a Republican.


26 posted on 12/03/2008 11:27:07 PM PST by paudio (Conservatism is a word with various meanings. To win, we need unified issue and message.)
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An evangelical who is in a position to give an interview to NPR is probably a leader of left wing self styled evangelicals of small numbers.


29 posted on 12/04/2008 12:43:00 AM PST by arthurus (Old Age beat itself with its ownguile and lack of enthusiasm.)
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"...and accusing her of lacking in humility, a trait which he says he admired in Obama."

Uh...Palin...lacking in humility...a trait he admires in Obama??? The guy's an IDIOT. Fire his stupid @ss and get someone in there that has a brain cell.

33 posted on 12/04/2008 4:33:59 AM PST by XenaLee
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Ted Haggard....please pick up the white courtesy phone


35 posted on 12/04/2008 4:44:42 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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Civil Unions "might" be a valid compromise between the two extremes on marriage, but it's never your starting point. If you want to defend the marriage and the family and you start there, then you will end up loosing the debate.

This guy sounds like a lightweight, who just wants to be liked.

I lost all respect for the NEA years ago.

36 posted on 12/04/2008 5:34:59 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy (Brian De Palma hates America)
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Cizik said he would "absolutely" support Obama in his scheme to reduce abortions by "government supplying contraception." He explained, "We're not Catholics who oppose contraception per se."

Fool, He thinks promoting premartial sex among immature high schoolers and junior high students will reduce abortion.

37 posted on 12/04/2008 5:37:44 AM PST by Sci Fi Guy (Brian De Palma hates America)
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Believe it or not, there are evangelicals who still think women should be seen, not heard, and home barefoot and pregnant. Looks like this jackass is one of those. Any 'evangelical' who would pick Obama and gay marriage over Sarah Palin is severely misguided, not a conservative, and questionably a Christian.

Ironically, when I read the headline, I thought this was about Huckabee.

38 posted on 12/04/2008 5:39:04 AM PST by rintense
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Richard Cizik,

"Another Evangelical leader I have never heard of before." -- P. Marlowe

ditto.

I am, I guess, an evangelical, of sorts. As with many, less happy with the label of late. This guy doesn't speak for me, any more than Ted Haggard did, back in his day.

BTW, this guy actually has his own Wikipedia entry.

Issues, Etc. talked about him on on Monday. Worth a listen, in my opinion. Mr. Cizik has a tendency to present false alternatives. "We can let her have an abortion, or we can give her contraceptives." Can't think of anything else Mr. Cizik?

39 posted on 12/04/2008 5:42:46 AM PST by Lee N. Field (Dispensational exegesis not supported by an a-, post- or historic pre-mil scholar will be ignored.)
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