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The Inquisition
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Posted on 10/26/2008 12:52:26 PM PDT by Gamecock

The Inquisition was a Roman Catholic tribunal for discovery and punishment of heresy, which was marked by the severity of questioning and punishment and lack of rights afforded to the accused.

While many people associate the Inquisition with Spain and Portugal, it was actually instituted by Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) in Rome. A later pope, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition, in 1233, to combat the heresy of the Abilgenses, a religious sect in France. By 1255, the Inquisition was in full gear throughout Central and Western Europe; although it was never instituted in England or Scandinavia.

Initially a tribunal would open at a location and an edict of grace would be published calling upon those who are conscious of heresy to confess; after a period of grace, the tribunal officers could make accusations. Those accused of heresy were sentenced at an auto de fe, Act of Faith. Clergyman would sit at the proceedings and would deliver the punishments. Punishments included confinement to dungeons, physical abuse and torture. Those who reconciled with the church were still punished and many had their property confiscated, as well as were banished from public life. Those who never confessed were burned at the stake without strangulation; those who did confess were strangled first. During the 16th and 17th centuries, attendance at auto de fe reached as high as the attendance at bullfights.

In the beginning, the Inquisition dealt only with Christian heretics and did not interfere with the affairs of Jews. However, disputes about Maimonides’ books (which addressed the synthesis of Judaism and other cultures) provided a pretext for harassing Jews and, in 1242, the Inquisition condemned the Talmud and burned thousands of volumes. In 1288, the first mass burning of Jews on the stake took place in France.

In 1481 the Inquisition started in Spain and ultimately surpassed the medieval Inquisition, in both scope and intensity. Conversos (Secret Jews) and New Christians were targeted because of their close relations to the Jewish community, many of whom were Jews in all but their name. Fear of Jewish influence led Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand to write a petition to the Pope asking permission to start an Inquisition in Spain. In 1483 Tomas de Torquemada became the inquisitor-general for most of Spain, he set tribunals in many cities. Also heading the Inquisition in Spain were two Dominican monks, Miguel de Morillo and Juan de San Martin.

First, they arrested Conversos and notable figures in Seville; in Seville more than 700 Conversos were burned at the stake and 5,000 repented. Tribunals were also opened in Aragon, Catalonia and Valencia. An Inquisition Tribunal was set up in Ciudad Real, where 100 Conversos were condemned, and it was moved to Toledo in 1485. Between 1486-1492, 25 auto de fes were held in Toledo, 467 people were burned at the stake and others were imprisoned. The Inquisition finally made its way to Barcelona, where it was resisted at first because of the important place of Spanish Conversos in the economy and society.

More than 13,000 Conversos were put on trial during the first 12 years of the Spanish Inquisition. Hoping to eliminate ties between the Jewish community and Conversos, the Jews of Spain were expelled in 1492..

The next phase of the Inquisition began around 1531, when Pope Leo X extended the Inquisition to Portugal. Thousands of Jews came to Portugal after the 1492 expulsion. A Spanish style Inquisition was constituted and tribunals were set up in Lisbon and other cities. Among the Jews who died at the hands of the Inquisition were well-known figures of the period such as Isaac de Castro Tartas, Antonio Serrao de Castro and Antonio Jose da Silva. The Inquisition never stopped in Spain and continued until the late 18th century.

By the second half of the 18th century, the Inquisition abated, due to the spread of enlightened ideas and lack of resources. The last auto de fe in Portugal took place on October 27, 1765. Not until 1808, during the brief reign of Joseph Bonaparte, was the Inquisition abolished in Spain. An estimated 31,912 heretics were burned at the stake, 17,659 were burned in effigy and 291,450 made reconciliations in the Spanish Inquisition. In Portugal, about 40,000 cases were tried, although only 1,800 were burned, the rest made penance.

The Inquisition was not limited to Europe; it also spread to Spanish and Portugese colonies in the New World and Asia. Many Jews and Conversos fled from Portugal and Spain to the New World seeking greater security and economic opportunities. Branches of the Portugese Inquisition were set up in Goa and Brazil. Spanish tribunals and auto de fes were set up in Mexico, the Philippine Islands, Guatemala, Peru, New Granada and the Canary Islands. By the late 18th century, most of these were dissolved.


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To: anglian

By the standard of the time it was mild and defendant rights were considered at some level. Remember, this was a period when heretics of any stripe where drawn and quartered by their local authorities.

In the case of Iberia, the Inquisition had a political motive. As the Spanish regained control from the Moors, many Muslims and their Jewish allies ‘converted’ on paper. The Spanish Inquistion was directed against these ‘conversos’, not Jews or Muslims themselves. It was viewed as a treasonous act.

By our lights, not tolerant. However, the ‘golden age’ of Elizabethan England had the same policy against recusants, or hidden Catholics.


21 posted on 10/26/2008 1:27:40 PM PDT by sobieski
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Very, very few witches were executed by Catholics or Protestants during that time.

But, both killed their share of “heretics.”


22 posted on 10/26/2008 1:28:05 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Skooz
Martin Luther started European antisemitism although European antisemitism existed for centuries before Luther was born.

Your words, not mine.

23 posted on 10/26/2008 1:28:27 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: Gamecock; narses; Salvation; NYer; Pyro7480
June 18, 2004, 10:26 a.m.
The Real Inquisition
Investigating the popular myth.

By Thomas F. Madden

When the sins of the Catholic Church are recited (as they so often are) the Inquisition figures prominently. People with no interest in European history know full well that it was led by brutal and fanatical churchmen who tortured, maimed, and killed those who dared question the authority of the Church. The word “Inquisition” is part of our modern vocabulary, describing both an institution and a period of time. Having one of your hearings referred to as an “Inquisition” is not a compliment for most senators.

But in recent years the Inquisition has been subject to greater investigation. In preparation for the Jubilee in 2000, Pope John Paul II wanted to find out just what happened during the time of the Inquisition's (the institution's) existence. In 1998 the Vatican opened the archives of the Holy Office (the modern successor to the Inquisition) to a team of 30 scholars from around the world. Now at last the scholars have made their report, an 800-page tome that was unveiled at a press conference in Rome on Tuesday. Its most startling conclusion is that the Inquisition was not so bad after all. Torture was rare and only about 1 percent of those brought before the Spanish Inquisition were actually executed. As one headline read “Vatican Downsizes Inquisition.”

The amazed gasps and cynical sneers that have greeted this report are just further evidence of the lamentable gulf that exists between professional historians and the general public. The truth is that, although this report makes use of previously unavailable material, it merely echoes what numerous scholars have previously learned from other European archives. Among the best recent books on the subject are Edward Peters’s Inquisition (1988) and Henry Kamen’s The Spanish Inquisition (1997), but there are others. Simply put, historians have long known that the popular view of the Inquisition is a myth. So what is the truth?

To understand the Inquisition we have to remember that the Middle Ages were, well, medieval. We should not expect people in the past to view the world and their place in it the way we do today. (You try living through the Black Death and see how it changes your attitude.) For people who lived during those times, religion was not something one did just at church. It was science, philosophy, politics, identity, and hope for salvation. It was not a personal preference but an abiding and universal truth. Heresy, then, struck at the heart of that truth. It doomed the heretic, endangered those near him, and tore apart the fabric of community.

The Inquisition was not born out of desire to crush diversity or oppress people; it was rather an attempt to stop unjust executions. Yes, you read that correctly. Heresy was a crime against the state. Roman law in the Code of Justinian made it a capital offense. Rulers, whose authority was believed to come from God, had no patience for heretics. Neither did common people, who saw them as dangerous outsiders who would bring down divine wrath. When someone was accused of heresy in the early Middle Ages, they were brought to the local lord for judgment, just as if they had stolen a pig or damaged shrubbery (really, it was a serious crime in England). Yet in contrast to those crimes, it was not so easy to discern whether the accused was really a heretic. For starters, one needed some basic theological training — something most medieval lords sorely lacked. The result is that uncounted thousands across Europe were executed by secular authorities without fair trials or a competent assessment of the validity of the charge.

The Catholic Church's response to this problem was the Inquisition, first instituted by Pope Lucius III in 1184. It was born out of a need to provide fair trials for accused heretics using laws of evidence and presided over by knowledgeable judges. From the perspective of secular authorities, heretics were traitors to God and the king and therefore deserved death. From the perspective of the Church, however, heretics were lost sheep who had strayed from the flock. As shepherds, the pope and bishops had a duty to bring them back into the fold, just as the Good Shepherd had commanded them. So, while medieval secular leaders were trying to safeguard their kingdoms, the Church was trying to save souls. The Inquisition provided a means for heretics to escape death and return to the community.

As this new report confirms, most people accused of heresy by the Inquisition were either acquitted or their sentences suspended. Those found guilty of grave error were allowed to confess their sin, do penance, and be restored to the Body of Christ. The underlying assumption of the Inquisition was that, like lost sheep, heretics had simply strayed. If, however, an inquisitor determined that a particular sheep had purposely left the flock, there was nothing more that could be done. Unrepentant or obstinate heretics were excommunicated and given over to secular authorities. Despite popular myth, the Inquisition did not burn heretics. It was the secular authorities that held heresy to be a capital offense, not the Church. The simple fact is that the medieval Inquisition saved uncounted thousands of innocent (and even not-so-innocent) people who would otherwise have been roasted by secular lords or mob rule.

During the 13th century the Inquisition became much more formalized in its methods and practices. Highly trained Dominicans answerable to the Pope took over the institution, creating courts that represented the best legal practices in Europe. As royal authority grew during the 14th century and beyond, control over the Inquisition slipped out of papal hands and into those of kings. Instead of one Inquisition there were now many. Despite the prospect of abuse, monarchs like those in Spain and France generally did their best to make certain that their inquisitions remained both efficient and merciful. During the 16th century, when the witch craze swept Europe, it was those areas with the best-developed inquisitions that stopped the hysteria in its tracks. In Spain and Italy, trained inquisitors investigated charges of witches’ sabbaths and baby roasting and found them to be baseless. Elsewhere, particularly in Germany, secular or religious courts burned witches by the thousands.

Compared to other medieval secular courts, the Inquisition was positively enlightened. Why then are people in general and the press in particular so surprised to discover that the Inquisition did not barbecue people by the millions? First of all, when most people think of the Inquisition today what they are really thinking of is the Spanish Inquisition. No, not even that is correct. They are thinking of the myth of the Spanish Inquisition. Amazingly, before 1530 the Spanish Inquisition was widely hailed as the best run, most humane court in Europe. There are actually records of convicts in Spain purposely blaspheming so that they could be transferred to the prisons of the Spanish Inquisition. After 1530, however, the Spanish Inquisition began to turn its attention to the new heresy of Lutheranism. It was the Protestant Reformation and the rivalries it spawned that would give birth to the myth.

By the mid 16th century, Spain was the wealthiest and most powerful country in Europe. Europe's Protestant areas, including the Netherlands, northern Germany, and England, may not have been as militarily mighty, but they did have a potent new weapon: the printing press. Although the Spanish defeated Protestants on the battlefield, they would lose the propaganda war. These were the years when the famous “Black Legend” of Spain was forged. Innumerable books and pamphlets poured from northern presses accusing the Spanish Empire of inhuman depravity and horrible atrocities in the New World. Opulent Spain was cast as a place of darkness, ignorance, and evil.

Protestant propaganda that took aim at the Spanish Inquisition drew liberally from the Black Legend. But it had other sources as well. From the beginning of the Reformation, Protestants had difficulty explaining the 15-century gap between Christ's institution of His Church and the founding of the Protestant churches. Catholics naturally pointed out this problem, accusing Protestants of having created a new church separate from that of Christ. Protestants countered that their church was the one created by Christ, but that it had been forced underground by the Catholic Church. Thus, just as the Roman Empire had persecuted Christians, so its successor, the Roman Catholic Church, continued to persecute them throughout the Middle Ages. Inconveniently, there were no Protestants in the Middle Ages, yet Protestant authors found them there anyway in the guise of various medieval heretics. In this light, the medieval Inquisition was nothing more than an attempt to crush the hidden, true church. The Spanish Inquisition, still active and extremely efficient at keeping Protestants out of Spain, was for Protestant writers merely the latest version of this persecution. Mix liberally with the Black Legend and you have everything you need to produce tract after tract about the hideous and cruel Spanish Inquisition. And so they did.

In time, Spain's empire would fade away. Wealth and power shifted to the north, in particular to France and England. By the late 17th century new ideas of religious tolerance were bubbling across the coffeehouses and salons of Europe. Inquisitions, both Catholic and Protestant, withered. The Spanish stubbornly held on to theirs, and for that they were ridiculed. French philosophers like Voltaire saw in Spain a model of the Middle Ages: weak, barbaric, superstitious. The Spanish Inquisition, already established as a bloodthirsty tool of religious persecution, was derided by Enlightenment thinkers as a brutal weapon of intolerance and ignorance. A new, fictional Spanish Inquisition had been constructed, designed by the enemies of Spain and the Catholic Church.

Now a bit more of the real Inquisition has come back into view. The question remains, will anyone take notice?

— Thomas F. Madden is professor and chair of the department of history at Saint Louis University in St. Louis, Missouri. He is the author most recently of Enrico Dandolo and the Rise of Venice and editor of the forthcoming Crusades: The Illustrated History.

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24 posted on 10/26/2008 1:29:59 PM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: murphE
Protestants had difficulty explaining the 15-century gap between Christ's institution of His Church and the founding of the Protestant churches.

We have no difficulty at all. A book titled, Maryrs Mirror, lays it out pretty clearly.

Nazis deny or minimize the holocaust. Turks deny or minimize the death march. Catholics minimize the Inquisition. Who would expect otherwiese? Their archives can't be trusted.

25 posted on 10/26/2008 1:37:14 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Skooz
Very, very few witches were executed by Catholics or Protestants during that time.

I agree, assuming that 300,000 executions for witchcraft is 'very few' compared to the 3,000 heretics executed during the same 350 year interval.

26 posted on 10/26/2008 1:42:05 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: aimhigh

Both of the historians the author refers to are not Catholic.


27 posted on 10/26/2008 1:43:40 PM PDT by murphE ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged." - GK Chesterton)
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To: aimhigh

And Protestants minimize the witch trials. Fortunately, the good German and English witch hunters kept fairly good records.


28 posted on 10/26/2008 1:44:11 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: aimhigh

Wow! Let’s see:

Nazis killed 13 million in the labor/death camp system.

The Turks killed, what, about a million Armenians.

The Inquisition killed 3000.

Yeah, that sure is a fair comparison unmotivated by base anti-Catholic hate.


29 posted on 10/26/2008 1:53:55 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: murphE
Both of the historians the author refers to are not Catholic.

Nevermind, he's on a roll.

30 posted on 10/26/2008 1:55:07 PM PDT by Petronski (Please pray for the success of McCain and Palin. Every day, whenever you pray.)
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To: aimhigh

To compare the Catholic Church to Nazis and the Turks who slaughtered over 1,000,000 Armenians is absurd.

You must subscribe the popular myth of The Inquisition, that holds that priests hunted down and tortured many thousands who refused to convert. That is nonsense and it does not hold up to historical scrutiny.

I am not Catholic, but if you are a Christian you must understand this: An attack on the Catholic Church is an attack on all of us. A slander against the Catholic Church is a slander against all of the Body of Christ.

Much of the Inquisition myth is just that: a myth. But, because it serves the ends of the anti-Christian bigots, the myth has been perpetuated in order to stain all Christians.


31 posted on 10/26/2008 2:20:24 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I agree, assuming that 300,000 executions for witchcraft is 'very few' compared to the 3,000 heretics executed during the same 350 year interval.

Maybe you are only counting those "heretics" killed by the Inquisition because the 3000 number is very low.

Many more than that were killed by Protestants alone in the hundred years after Luther.

32 posted on 10/26/2008 2:23:29 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Skooz
Maybe you are only counting those "heretics" killed by the Inquisition

See the title lof this thread. i agree that there also were many 'heretics' killed by Protestants, in addition to the enormous number of witches. It is my understanding that an entire small Swiss city was put to the sword by a combined army of Lutherans, Calvinists, and Catholics. Apparently this group of 'Anabaptists' believed that since salvation was preordained, people could commit all kinds of vices since if they were saved, vice could not harm their souls. This was something the other Protestants and the Catholics could agree on.

33 posted on 10/26/2008 2:43:00 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (White Trash for Sarah!)
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To: aimhigh

You wrote:

“Nazis deny or minimize the holocaust. Turks deny or minimize the death march. Catholics minimize the Inquisition. Who would expect otherwiese? Their archives can’t be trusted.”

Hold on there a minute. First you talk about those who deny the holocaust (in which 12,000,000 were murdered) and then you mention the Turks (slaughter of the Armenians?) in which 500,000 to 1,000,000 were murdered. Now, are you seriously comparing those mass murders which happened in a few short years, to the executions (AFTER TRIALS!) of several thousands of people spread over five centuries?

That distinction alone shows your comparison to be foolish. But there’s more. a number of those executed after an inquisition trial were tried and executed for murder and other serious crimes and NOT for what might be called today “religious dissent”. The last person executed after a Spanish Inquisition trial (I can’t remember whether this was in Spain itself or in Spanish occupied Italy) was tried and executed for murder, for instance.

Also, the Vatican archives ABSOLUTELY can be trusted and are trusted by medievalists around the world. This fact was most recently proven AGAIN with the discovery and publication of a document about the trial of the Templars. The volume published was EXTREMELY well received. It will soon be released in English. I doubt you would buy the original since it cost more than $8,000 (yes, 8,000) per volume and you probably struggle with Latin. You can buy a popular edition for Americans on January 9th, 2009 for $16.50. The book (both of them actually) was written by Barbara Frale. She is a medieval historian with many years experience working in the Vatican archives. She rediscovered the document in question.


34 posted on 10/26/2008 3:22:21 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Both sides ran up an impressive body count.


35 posted on 10/26/2008 3:23:05 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: murphE; aimhigh; Petronski
In 1998 the Vatican opened the archives of the Holy Office (the modern successor to the Inquisition) to a team of 30 scholars from around the world. Now at last the scholars have made their report, an 800-page tome that was unveiled at a press conference in Rome on Tuesday. Its most startling conclusion is that the Inquisition was not so bad after all.

I was just about to comment that some non-Catholic would challenge this when .... I found freeper 'aimhigh' had already posted that response. So, let's take a better look at the situation that developed with Martin Luther's postings on the Cathedral door. But first, a quote from Scripture:

"Obey your superiors and be subject to them, for they keep watch as having to render an account of your souls; so that they may do this with joy, and not with grief, for that would not be expedient for you."
Hebrews 13:17

Martin Luther, the inventor of Sola Scriptura, apparently ignored that verse in Scripture because he defied his superiors. From where did Martin Luther's authority come? He was an Augustinian monk, and was not a Bishop. He had no authority at all. He blatantly ignored more verses from Scripture which plainly tell us wherein the final authority lies, and it did not lie with himself, but with his opposition, the Catholic Church. But what does Scripture tell us on this matter?

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."
Matthew 18:15-17

Clearly, this is GOD given authority to His Church, from words spoken by Jesus Christ Himself. These verses were ignored by Martin Luther.

He also ignored the lessons taught to us in the Old Testament:

"Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married, for he had married a Cushite woman; and they said, “Has the Lord indeed spoken only through Moses? Has he not spoken through us also?” And the Lord heard it. Now the man Moses was very meek, more than all men that were on the face of the earth. And suddenly the Lord said to Moses and to Aaron and Miriam, “Come out, you three, to the tent of meeting”. And the three of them came out. And the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the door of the tent, and called Aaron and Miriam; and they both came forward. And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision, I speak with him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses; he is entrusted with all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in dark speech; and he beholds the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?” And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them, and he departed;..."
Numbers 12:1-9

Dispensation of authority by GOD over His flock is the same today as it was then. GOD is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Apparently Luther did not know this or he ignored the fact.

He had no GOD given authority whatsoever, so he claimed he was his own authority so to speak. Luther had written many pamphlets and had them printed and distributed all over Europe.

In his pamphlet titled "The Papacy at Rome", of 1520, he claimed his own authority by 'twisting' Holy Scripture in a futile attempt to justify himself. Here are some excerpts from that pamphlet:

"It is to this church, to the believers, that Jesus gave the keys."

Sorry Luther, but you were wrong:
The only place where Jesus gave the keys to anyone is in Matthew 16:19 and He gave them to Peter and to him alone. The Greek word used in this verse for 'you' is singular, second person.

"The keys belong to the whole church and to each of its members."

Sorry Luther, but you were wrong again:
See the note regarding the previous remark made by Luther. The keys are the singular teaching authority of the Church, and if everyone had a set as Luther had claimed here, then each and every person automatically became his or her own pope. Isn't that exactly what happened in Protestantism with each person interpreting Scripture for himself?
By making this statement, each and every member of his movement thought they had a set of keys and thus became his or her own infallible discerner of Holy Scripture. "What feels good for me must be the truth", is what his statement means. A central authority or "Supreme Court", a final discernment of Holy Scripture in Protestantism was non-existent from the very beginning. This is a clear violation of yet more verses of Scripture.

"First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
2Peter 1:20-21

See? Luther was really saying to the world that he and his followers will reject the teaching of GOD and accept instead the teaching of man, namely his. Now that places him in violation of yet more verses,
But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men". Acts 5:29
"If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of GOD is greater...". 1John 5:9

The pamphlet, "The Papacy at Rome", was written early in the game, 1520, and it is obvious that Luther was trying to convey to his followers that he had some sort of authority in order to justify his movement to separate from the Catholic Church. However, he obviously failed to do so, and thus quickly moved on to the next and much more destructive stages. cf

From the one Church founded by Jesus Christ, 'spinoffs' have emerged. Like cancer cells, they multiply rapidly. Where once the Reformation comprised one Church, it has now multiplied into 30,000+ christian denominations all claiming to be authentic. Jesus Christ founded one Church and only the Catholic Church can trace its ancestry back through the lineage of the popes, to that one Church.

36 posted on 10/26/2008 3:39:34 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
Jesus Christ founded one Church and only the Catholic Church can trace its ancestry back through the lineage of the popes, to that one Church."

Amen. What you write is the truth of the matter.

37 posted on 10/26/2008 3:42:54 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (Gen. George S. Patton to Michael Moore... American Carol: "I really like slapping you.")
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To: Gamecock

Luther was an anti Semite. But that does not mean I think Lutherans and other Reformed faithful are so. Also the Spanish Inquisition differed form the Inquisition in other Catholic countries in one very important way. It was controlled more by the State’s judicial authorities than just the Church’s. The Spaniards may have sucked at many things but they were excellent record keepers so we know have much more accurate histories of the Spanish Inquisition than the anti Catholic defamation popularized so many years ago.

As a welcome PS those Spanish records also helped to locate the sunken treasure from the Atocha.


38 posted on 10/26/2008 4:05:31 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance; Gamecock

Luther was a replacement theologian before he was an anti-semite. Disappointment + replacement theology = anti-semitism in his case.

ANY replacement theologian must guard diligently against the urge to blame the Jewish people and not himself for the death of Christ.

Most mainline protestant and catholic churches have replacement theology.


39 posted on 10/26/2008 9:07:12 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: Gamecock

“Those accused of heresy were sentenced at an auto de fe, Act of Faith. Clergyman would sit at the proceedings and would deliver the punishments. Punishments included confinement to dungeons, physical abuse and torture.”

Regardless of how many souls underwent physical torture or death, and the trustworthiness of Vatican numbers relative to such, the very sanction of such methods is unScriptural. A careful study of church discipline reveals that outside of the passive means of disfellowship (Mt. 18:17; Rm. 16:17; 1 Cor. 5:9, 11; 2 Ths. 3:6, 14; Tts. 3:2 - and which would leave a Ted K or Obama out of the camp for sure), the only means of affecting unruly adults physically was by spiritual words and power (1 Cor. 4:12; 5:4,5; 2 Cor. 13:2, 3, 10; 2 Ths. 3:6, 15; Tts. 1:13), which could even result in death (Acts 5:1-10).

Nor did the church seek or exercise power over those without (1 Cor. 5:12, 13), though by spiritual means they could be subdued (Acts 13:6-12), nor did they desire that civil authorities judge in their internal affairs (1 Cor. 6:1-16).

The kingdom of God being spiritual (Jn. 18:36; Col. 1:13), so are it’s effective means of discipline and operation (2 Cor. 6:1-10; 10:1-6; Eph. 6:12). Though this is manifested in an organic structure, we see no intimation or provision for a theocracy in this age exercising civil powers over those without. Rather, the church exists within the world in which it’s charter is to bring souls to be controlled from without by spiritual means, while to the State is given the sword of men for the just punishment of evil doers (Rm. 13:1-7; 2 Pt. 2:13, 14).

This does not disallow the State from reflecting religious moral beliefs, as hyper separationists assume, as it is impossible for the State not to be base laws upon beliefs, but it cannot mandate formal submission to one religion, and or prohibit religious freedom, except where it violates laws which protect physical life. Which restrictions, of course, are based upon a beliefs, but which aspect would be another volume.


40 posted on 10/27/2008 9:15:22 AM PDT by daniel1212 ( Prv 28:2: "For the transgression of a land many...princes thereof: but by a man of understanding..)
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