roamer in 177: What an amazing and repulsive display.
Nothing but crickets from our Catholic FRiends.
Posted on 07/29/2008 4:39:52 PM PDT by annalex
... counters secularism insofar as introduction of sexual promiscuity to the youth is an important secularist tactic.
And the secular world says that the celibate clergy have no understanding of the non-celibate world. Again, there is no way that the celibate lifestyle is a model for them...and they will disregard it.
Having said that, the Bible clearly speaks to this subject, and a "celibate" teacher is not required to speak to the biblical standard. Again, your argument that this is the exclusive property of the Roman Catholic just doesn't follow.
Every Protestant denomination that supports abortion "rights"
You have confused Protestant denominations with evangelicals. There is not a single evangelical denomination that I know of that is pro-abortion. And don't look now, but there are American Catholics who are pro-choice (read, pro-death of the unborn). And once again, the pro-life position is not the exclusive property of Catholicism. You have staked out exclusive territory that is just not yours alone.
I would disagree. On the whole the RCC is a very tightly run ship. Having a few weak persons in the US Army does not make it a loosely run military organization. The command structure is tight. The outputs are regular and according to standards. The same with the RCC. Organizationally, it is in every nation on the planet, and nearly in every county-sized unit. It has an administrative hierarchy that goes to the lowest level. It communicates extremely well up and down the line. It has a clear idea of the outputs it desires, and it is very successful at implementing those to standard.
I’m not talking about theology here, quix. I’ve addressed that in an earlier post.
When I was baptized after getting saved, I was baptized by my younger brother and a good friend of mine and they used the formula.
So in the Didache the instruction about baptism wasn't specifically given to priests, was it? It was given to all Christians.
The issue is “influence on the secular world,” and the assertion that the Roman Catholic Church is the only antidote, to the exclusion of the Protestant/Evangelical church. The uniqueness of John the Baptist cannot be taken as a model for the monastic life...and has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.
You are excused!
The subject would take a book. I don't have time for that at the moment, but here's one example of priestly duty "then" and "now":
Here's my original question as found in post #127:
Is the Roman Catholic priesthood the same today as it was from the founding of the church "from Acts onward"?
You cited the Didache as an example of a priestly duty "then" and "now", and I read it and made the assertion that there isn't contextual evidence that the Didache's intended audience is all Christians, not just priests.
Yes, we can know.
We can read the document and use our minds and intellect look at the context.
Telling, eh?
Among Christians, "apologetics" is about Christ, the Gospel, and God's Word.
Here, it's Rome, Rome, Rome.
Ha.
I'm a non-denominational Christian and I find that genuinely funny.
“Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. “ - Jesus, John 17:17
In that case, I want you to understand that this has become a sore point for me (as you probably have ascertained). Your reply to me, giving the impression that "most of what they say is all lies" is what set me off, and for that I apologize.
I also want you to understand that it is the history that I am concerned with. I am "old school" in that I will happily take the word of the scholars closest to the events in question over those seeking to revise their work- It must be so, by the nature of the discipline, and the evidence must be overwhelmingly to the contrary to overturn their good works. With that in mind, I invite you to look at Plaisted's work. If you can get past the anti-Catholic tone to look at the numbers and the references he cites (which is why I posted it in the first place), and would care to offer an argument of substance, I would be happy to hear your reply.
I was going specifically by your comments in the post to which I responded; namely that you'd said your earlier observations had come from admittedly anti-Catholic sources and bards and troubadors! A rather rickety stool indeed.
This offers me some consternation, as Catholics seem to put such faith in oral tradition... The songs of the bards and troubadours are exactly that, and much can be learned of everyday life, history, and every sort of thing, even if they are a bit whimsical or irreverent at times. Especially when dealing with the Occish peoples and the Celts, where no other record exists. If one wishes to learn of them first hand there are few other sources.
As to the sources being anti-Catholic, one would be hard pressed to find anything in medieval Europe that would be a neutral source- either one is with Rome, or one is crushed.
My study was to consider ancient trade routes as established by the Phoenicians, supposing their good friends the Hebrews would have partnered with them quite a bit, and to look for evidences of Hebrew colonies along those routes. That evidence is there, and easy to establish. But then I thought one might suspect that the fruits of the Pentecost (why was every one in Jerusalem again? Remember speaking in [up to 12] tongues?) might just turn up along those same routes... And they do. In the Iberian Peninsula of Spain, at Gibraltar, the South of France, in Brittany, in the British Isles, in the Benelux region, and so on. The world was a whole lot bigger than we have been lead to believe, I'd guess.
It is odd, though, that all of these places are also the generators of supposed heresies against the RCC, isn't it?
At any rate, with the little that Rome has left us in the way of evidence, all that is left is the tales of troubadours and bards, the rest is buried in the ground, waiting to come back into the light.
As an aside, your moniker has always intrigued me... did you drop your waffle at the beach? :P
What an amazing and repulsive display. Luckily for the recipient (unlike most), he was already dead before the RCC authorities assailed him for his alleged offenses.
Nothing but crickets from our Catholic FRiends.
Funny how that works out.
I would still like an RCC answer explaining how 1200 (nearly) continuous years of crusades, inquisitions, genocides, religious persecutions, torture, rape, pillage, sword, and blood do not represent an errant Church.
I really would like an answer.
The answer, if one is provided, will go something like this: What you need to realize is that The Catholic Church is inerrant, in so far as it is inerrant. The Pope is infallible, but only in so far as he is infallible. You Proddies just don't understand because you are Proddies.
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