[Stourme]

THE Bible warns about adding to or taking away from The Bible.

Actually THE Bible says nothing of the sort. There was no bible when John wrote the book of Revelation. John was speaking about his specific writings.

The first collection of scripture wasn't put together until 325 AD. And it's not complete. It's only the writings they elected to include. This is why you find references to other scripture with in the writings of the bible but they are no where to be found. 1 Cor is actually Paul's 2nd letter to Corith. There were three...we only have two of them.

I borrowed a Book of Mormon from a friend and found alot of contradictions in it versus the Bible.

So you actually read the Book of Mormon? Or did your preacher tell you there were contradiction? Or did you find some blog on the internet that said "look here!"

Let me ask you a question, if you don't mind. How can you reconcile modern "Christianity" after almost 2000 years after the resurrection of Christ not able to add one new piece of information about the kingdom of God? That's a big red flag to me.

The bible was put together from writings created in all different ages in the area around Palestine.... What about God's dealings with the rest of the world?

Modern religionist have no clue. They've actually lost knowledge about God...not gained it. Which to me means, they're not of Him...

[MHGinTN]

Are you aware that Joe Smith added to the Revelation? Have you ever read the bilge mormons claim was the 'Joseph Smith Translation' of the King James Bible into King James English, even the tens of thousands of words Smith added throughout, including the Revelation?

[MHGinTN]

Welcome to FR, n00bie.

[ejonesie22]

A few points:

First, as far as God and the rest of the world, he left that as our task:

Mark 16:15-16 (King James Version)
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

As far as why there has been nothing "new" to date, two things, one, God works in his own time, not yours or mine and he is working among us now, though not through false prophets or those who seek to change his nature or his word, nor change the path of salvation or add to it, that is work left to the evil one, who has much success in that endeavor.

Also there is this: John 19:28-31 (King James Version)
28After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
29Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost

Jesus was finished, the scriptures fulfilled, all that remain were stories to build on what he taught and the examples of his apostles to set in motion the formation of his church.

When the time comes God and Christ will reveal themselves again as promised, and the book shall be reopened, the legacy and historic linage carried foreword as it always has been, in very linear and uniform fashion, with no harsh turns to the improbable...

Oh, and as far as "Not adding or taking away from the Bible" no being discussed, again, nice try but I suggest a few verses for you, and read then from a proper bible, not one corrected by your fellows:

Deuteronomy 4:2
Deuteronomy 12:32
Proverbs 30:5-6
Revelation 22:18-19
Galatians 1:6-12

[MHGinTN]

"The first collection of scripture wasn't put together until 325 AD. And it's not complete." With that typical mormonesque mischaracterization you have IDed yourself as a mormonism apologist. Of course you are aware that the earliest Church fatehrs referred to nearly every one of Paul's letters in thier writings dated to 100AD+. It is amusing that Mormons cannot build up their cult except by trying to denigrate Christianity and the Bible. Gotta make those holes into which to pour the heresies of mormonism don'tchaknow!

I suspect you're not a n00bie, just a stealth retread with more than one 'history' at FR.

[Godzilla]

The first collection of scripture wasn't put together until 325 AD.

Peter refers to the writings of Paul as being scripture, that is in the early to mid first century. The heritic Marcion put a list together as early as 85AD. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, refers to 'The Gospel' as an authoritative writing in 115 AD. The corpus Paulinum, or collection of Paul's writings, was brought together about the same time as the collecting of the fourfold Gospel, around 100 - 115 AD. Other formal lists include:

The Muratorian Fragment (c. 170).
Melito (c. 170).
Origen (c. 240).

Finally, regarding your claim that the first collection wasn't put together, FF Bruce makes it plain that _

One thing must be emphatically stated. The New Testament books did not become authoritative for the Church because they were formally included in a canonical list; on the contrary, the Church included them in her canon because she already regarded them as divinely inspired, recognising their innate worth and general apostolic authority, direct or indirect. The first ecclesiastical councils to classify the canonical books were both held in North Africa — at Hippo Regius in 393 and at Carthage in 397 — but what these councils did was not to impose something new upon the Christian communities but to codify what was already the general practice of those communities.

The bible was put together from writings created in all different ages in the area around Palestine.... What about God's dealings with the rest of the world?

1. Because the Jewish nation were the ones chosen to be the witness to the world
2. Christianity began there and spread outward.
3. The events listed in the bom never occured and its history has been disproven by DNA studies, archaeology, linguistic studies and anthropology.

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[Elsie]

Let me ask you a question, if you don't mind. How can you reconcile modern "Christianity" after almost 2000 years after the resurrection of Christ not able to add one new piece of information about the kingdom of God? That's a big red flag to me.

 

 

Here's a 'question':  WHY did the Founder of Mormonism and the following leaders of it...

 

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Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimball, Woodruff ...

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IGNORE what the Bible said as well as what the BoM said?

 

THIS is a BIG RED FLAG to Christians!

 

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 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

 

 

1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.

 

 

 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.

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BEHOLD!!!!  The Restorative Power  of the Book of Mormon!!

 

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THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI

CHAPTER 2

 

  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

 

 

[Elsie]

So you actually read the Book of Mormon? Or did your preacher tell you there were contradiction?

It appears that JS and his followers did NOT READ the Bible or the Book of MORMON!!

[Cronos]

How can you reconcile modern "Christianity" after almost 2000 years after the resurrection of Christ not able to add one new piece of information about the kingdom of God?

What do you mean? Do you want the Bible to be edited or added to?

[Cronos]

The first collection of scripture wasn't put together until 325 AD. And it's not complete. It's only the writings they elected to include. This is why you find references to other scripture with in the writings of the bible but they are no where to be found. 1 Cor is actually Paul's 2nd letter to Corith. There were three...we only have two of them.

Ok, I'll bite. Let's take your first assumption that it's not complete -- it is an assumption and everything else you say is built on that, so let's not decry it initially. If it wasn't "complete", the books would only have been those dating from that point in time, not from the 1800s.

The way in which J Smith got his "revelation" is suspiciously similar to the way Mohammed is supposed to have got his...

[count-your-change]

That's what comes of repeating what someone has told you and not doing any research for yourself. But repeating it over and again will not make it so.
“The first collection of scripture wasn't put together until 325 AD.”

[Not just another dumb blonde]

Yes, I have read verses in the BoM. In one section I read “God created the earth”, then in another book it says “gods created the earth”. So which is it? I am a christian, I don’t subscribe to any religion. Religion is manmade therefore subject to error (i.e. doctrine). All the years I did go to church I never had the thirst for God’s Word (shame on me) like I do today. I never realized how much I didn’t know until I started really reading the Bible. The more I read the more I thirst, and the more I realize I don’t know. How can God reveal Himself more to me than through his words? Maybe organized religion distacts people from a more full understanding of who God really is?

The reason I started pursuing this religion Mormonism is through my best friends daughter who is married to a non-practicing mormon. His ex-wife was getting support from the church (Mormon), but in order to get that support she had to make sure their three children were attending. And my friends daughter told me about some of the things these children were being taught in the church. One of which was that their dad and stepmom were going to hell because they were not married in the Mormon church. Then she started mentioning other things like secret ceremonies and the angel Moroni. So many of these things put a red flag up for me. I guess maybe God decide to grow both of us together. I don’t hold any animosity toward anyone but I do get righteously angry when something is said that conflicts with God’s Word.

I do alot of reading online and I am very careful about what I read. I go to a website and first look at their statement of faith. I have a basic understanding of some cults. I read years ago that Mormonism was a cult, but never pursued it as far as educating myself why. Now I am pursuing it due to being exposed to them.

The first time I picked up the bom to read I didn’t get past the Intro to see something was amiss.

How about this:

And I quote Joseph Smith, “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by ANY other book.”

Hello! How arrogant is that? This was in the Introduction for pity sake. I admit there’s alot I don’t know but I do know the Bible (not JS version) is God’s Word.