Atheoligical Tendency ~Open~

One Living Truth Ministries ^ | Oct 2006 | Ministry news letter

[ejonesie22]

SO let me get this straight, we have a “Religion” who has it's own writers saying who cares if there is a God or if all of our dogma is based on truth or not, just go be happy? Hell be an atheist, and you can be LDS if you are happy.

Damn, just damn...

[ejonesie22]

Oh Spiff...

This entire time I didn't know, I just didn't know...

[maryz]

LOL! I figured it was something like that — just couldn’t resist a bit of teasing! :)

[Godzilla]

[Tennessee Nana]

I can only hope that my own character measures up in any way to his.
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If you plan to live an unrighteous life, practice the occult, be a conman-money digger, pretend you saw Jesus in order to make some money, defraud your own followers in a bank scam, print worthless $3 bills, persecute and murder Christians, deny your followers their civil rights under the 1st Amendment, claim you are bigger than Jesus, make yourself a unauthorized general of a vigilante militia, make ytourself a king of America, prophecy that you will be the president of the United states in 1844, and then die 6 months before the election, sell booze from your own bar, sleep with other mens wives, (adultery) have multiple one night stands, (adultery) cheat repeatedly on your faithful legal wife and threaten her with destruction if she objects, claim that people live on the moon, claim that Christians Churches are of the devil, start your own religion and claim you want to be like Mohammad and make people join your religion at the point of a sword, and have a shoot out and kill 2 other guys, you just might...

[MHGinTN]

Wish I had used the same discretion ... I’m tired of playing straightman to the lies and heresies of mormonism spewed across FR.

[Stourme]

THE Bible warns about adding to or taking away from The Bible.

Actually THE Bible says nothing of the sort. There was no bible when John wrote the book of Revelation. John was speaking about his specific writings.

The first collection of scripture wasn't put together until 325 AD. And it's not complete. It's only the writings they elected to include. This is why you find references to other scripture with in the writings of the bible but they are no where to be found. 1 Cor is actually Paul's 2nd letter to Corith. There were three...we only have two of them.

I borrowed a Book of Mormon from a friend and found alot of contradictions in it versus the Bible.

So you actually read the Book of Mormon? Or did your preacher tell you there were contradiction? Or did you find some blog on the internet that said "look here!"

Let me ask you a question, if you don't mind. How can you reconcile modern "Christianity" after almost 2000 years after the resurrection of Christ not able to add one new piece of information about the kingdom of God? That's a big red flag to me.

The bible was put together from writings created in all different ages in the area around Palestine.... What about God's dealings with the rest of the world?

Modern religionist have no clue. They've actually lost knowledge about God...not gained it. Which to me means, they're not of Him...

[MHGinTN]

Are you aware that Joe Smith added to the Revelation? Have you ever read the bilge mormons claim was the 'Joseph Smith Translation' of the King James Bible into King James English, even the tens of thousands of words Smith added throughout, including the Revelation?

[MHGinTN]

Welcome to FR, n00bie.

[ejonesie22]

A few points:

First, as far as God and the rest of the world, he left that as our task:

Mark 16:15-16 (King James Version)
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

As far as why there has been nothing "new" to date, two things, one, God works in his own time, not yours or mine and he is working among us now, though not through false prophets or those who seek to change his nature or his word, nor change the path of salvation or add to it, that is work left to the evil one, who has much success in that endeavor.

Also there is this: John 19:28-31 (King James Version)
28After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
29Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost

Jesus was finished, the scriptures fulfilled, all that remain were stories to build on what he taught and the examples of his apostles to set in motion the formation of his church.

When the time comes God and Christ will reveal themselves again as promised, and the book shall be reopened, the legacy and historic linage carried foreword as it always has been, in very linear and uniform fashion, with no harsh turns to the improbable...

Oh, and as far as "Not adding or taking away from the Bible" no being discussed, again, nice try but I suggest a few verses for you, and read then from a proper bible, not one corrected by your fellows:

Deuteronomy 4:2
Deuteronomy 12:32
Proverbs 30:5-6
Revelation 22:18-19
Galatians 1:6-12

[MHGinTN]

"The first collection of scripture wasn't put together until 325 AD. And it's not complete." With that typical mormonesque mischaracterization you have IDed yourself as a mormonism apologist. Of course you are aware that the earliest Church fatehrs referred to nearly every one of Paul's letters in thier writings dated to 100AD+. It is amusing that Mormons cannot build up their cult except by trying to denigrate Christianity and the Bible. Gotta make those holes into which to pour the heresies of mormonism don'tchaknow!

I suspect you're not a n00bie, just a stealth retread with more than one 'history' at FR.

[Alex Murphy]

...many have argued that the primary "glue" of Mormonism is the heritage, culture, and family ties, not the doctrine and theology...

I'd agree with that.

[Godzilla]

The first collection of scripture wasn't put together until 325 AD.

Peter refers to the writings of Paul as being scripture, that is in the early to mid first century. The heritic Marcion put a list together as early as 85AD. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, refers to 'The Gospel' as an authoritative writing in 115 AD. The corpus Paulinum, or collection of Paul's writings, was brought together about the same time as the collecting of the fourfold Gospel, around 100 - 115 AD. Other formal lists include:

The Muratorian Fragment (c. 170).
Melito (c. 170).
Origen (c. 240).

Finally, regarding your claim that the first collection wasn't put together, FF Bruce makes it plain that _

One thing must be emphatically stated. The New Testament books did not become authoritative for the Church because they were formally included in a canonical list; on the contrary, the Church included them in her canon because she already regarded them as divinely inspired, recognising their innate worth and general apostolic authority, direct or indirect. The first ecclesiastical councils to classify the canonical books were both held in North Africa — at Hippo Regius in 393 and at Carthage in 397 — but what these councils did was not to impose something new upon the Christian communities but to codify what was already the general practice of those communities.

The bible was put together from writings created in all different ages in the area around Palestine.... What about God's dealings with the rest of the world?

1. Because the Jewish nation were the ones chosen to be the witness to the world
2. Christianity began there and spread outward.
3. The events listed in the bom never occured and its history has been disproven by DNA studies, archaeology, linguistic studies and anthropology.

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[Graybeard58]

I’m denser than usual today. What is that in number 24?

[MHGinTN]

A ‘yellow submarine’ ... not to be confused with ‘yellow’ as in cowardly.

[Elsie]

The average Mormon sitting in a pew does not care how or why their religion works, they only care that it works for them. There you go again!

Trying to tell unknowning folks WHAT we believe!

--MormonDude(I fully trust the KJV Bible - as long as it's translated correctly.)

[Elsie]

The average Mormon sitting in a pew does not care how or why their religion works, they only care that it works for them. Did you get a witness of the Spirit?

--MormonDude(Warm and fuzzy - that's MY standard!)

[Elsie]

Those who have done so have incredible stories to tell.

They are ALL liars and BIGOTS!!!

(And, probably hiding GREAT sins!!

--MormonDude(I'm glad that I don't do those things!)

[Elsie]

I believe the Holy Bible to be true as well as The Book of Mormon and other LDS scriptures to be true and the word of God.

WHICH one??

[Elsie]

I can only hope that my own character measures up in any way to his.

It's gettin' close!!