Posted on 07/08/2008 8:16:05 AM PDT by Gamecock
Sola Fide
Latin “faith alone”
The historic Protestant doctrine that the only instrumental cause of justification, from the human perspective, is faith. While God is the ultimate cause of justification, Protestants believe that faith in Christ through the message of the Gospel is necessary. There are no works, no matter how meritorious they may seem, that can add to justification (Eph. 2:8-9). This doctrine, according to Protestants, finds its roots in the teachings of Paul but was obscured in the middle ages and restored during the Reformation. Many Protestants would be quick to point out that it is not the doctrine itself that saves, but the reality that the doctrine represents. In other words, one is saved by faith alone, not by belief in the doctrine of faith alone. As well, most Protestants would say that “it is faith alone that saves, but the faith that saves will not be alone.” This doctrine represents a major point of distinction between Protestants and Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and, often, Eastern Orthodox.
Wrong. The Bible is God’s Word. Jesus is the Word in flesh and He predated the Church.
So you are saying that the Word was insufficient? The Word is Jesus Christ.
I pretty much got #3 on my own after I was taught to read.
The Church predates Scripture.
No.
You right, actually.
The Church predates the New Testament. Every word of it.
so are you saying The Bible = Jesus Christ?
Not equal but a representation. The Bible is all about Jesus Christ from front to end. He is the Word of God.
The church as founded in Acts maybe, not the RCC as it is.
So are you saying that Jesus is not the Word of God and thus did not exist before the church? The Bible clearly states, He is the Word and since He has been around since before the beginning with God he predates the church.
Amen, as Christ Himself said it was.
You are equating Jesus with the Bible, which elevates the Bible to part of a Quartine God.
The acorn and the oak are the same plant. The Church founded in Acts is the Catholic Church.
I have no idea what the RCC is.
See #68 and argue that point.
“RCC” = Roman Catholic Church.
No it’s not. The RCC is full of man’s traditions and trappings not found anywhere in the Bible ( other than Baptism and a Communion sacrament ), while the RCC is founded on the premise of Christ’s Church is it not the same one from Acts. No church today can say that though some ( I count the RCC as one ) can say they serve God’s purpose.
What the Bible clearly states is “en arche en ho logos;” your equation of “logos” with the Bible is a King James Version solecism given weight by repetition.
We’ll start with these. They may be “easily” shot down, but I’ve never seen them “effectively” shot down.
Mary as “Mediatrix”
Immaculate conception
Perpetual virginity of Mary
For anyone who might happen to come across my previous post, that is a list of examples where Catholic tradition contradicts scripture. (I’m not defending the doctrines. I’m saying that the statement that they contradict scripture has not been effectively refuted.)
RE: “”The church” exists because of what the Bible says.”
The church was founded prior to one word of the New Testament being recorded. In the Old Testament times, the church was a mystery, something not yet revealed. The fact that we know about the church because of the Bible doesn’t mean it was founded that way.
So I agree with Petronski on this point, although I won’t agree that “The Church” is the one headquartered in Rome.
The Catholic Church is not bound by the fraud known as sola scriptura.
...while the Catholic Church is founded on the premise of Christ’s Church is it not the same one from Acts.
It is precisely the same Church as the one in Acts, augmented by almost 2000 years of Tradition and Scholarship inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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