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Catholics & Salvation; And the answer is: Maybe.
Stand To Reason ^ | Gregory Koukl

Posted on 07/07/2008 10:39:05 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: andysandmikesmom; Marysecretary

What Mary is stating is a belief in the Iconoclast heresy that began in Islam:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07620a.htm

It is an insidious heresy that many protestants espouse.


1,921 posted on 07/21/2008 3:54:41 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Of course not, LOL.


1,922 posted on 07/21/2008 3:57:22 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I’m just saying be very careful what you bring into your home. Pray over them. Be discerning. Most are ignorant about such things. That’s the real danger. It’s not that satan has more power, it’s that folks don’t realize the danger and do nothing about it.


1,923 posted on 07/21/2008 3:59:23 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

Do you believe that things brought into your house can also be blessed and therefore be a source of Grace?


1,924 posted on 07/21/2008 4:01:29 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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To: andysandmikesmom

We live alongside the supernatural. It’s always with us, in a parallel universe of sorts. Not everything we see or everyone we know has a demon or evil spirit. We should always pray to be filled with the HOLY Spirit. You can learn about certain objects that are used by unholy people, or New Agers. Never buy them. We need to educate ourselves about such items. There are crystals, the ‘devil’s horn’ jewelry, unicorns, etc. that are used by the New Agers.


1,925 posted on 07/21/2008 4:03:18 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Everything written was pretty clear. We don’t need to spin it.


1,926 posted on 07/21/2008 4:05:13 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Petronski
The choices (misuses) of free will facilitate this damnation.

Why do some men "misuse" free will and others don't?

God wants us to choose Him.

And yet some men don't "choose Him."

Putting aside the Scriptural truth that God loves us before we love Him, does what you wrote mean God doesn't get what He wants? Isn't God capable of bringing all men to faith in Christ if that's what He really "wants?"

1,927 posted on 07/21/2008 4:07:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Petronski

Repeated paraphrasing of other people’s posts does not equal a sound argument.


1,928 posted on 07/21/2008 4:09:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Demons do exist everywhere. They are always on the prowl to injure us and our children. That’s why it’s called spiritual warfare. You need to be close to Christ and call on His name to dispel them. You don’t need to fear them but you do need to be aware that they exist. That’s why you pray blessings over your children, to protect them from the temptations of this world, which are demonic.

There are those who believe that demons follow our families through the generations. Many diseases pass through from generation to generation, addictions, anger, bitterness, resentments can travel from generation to generation. But they can be stopped by a Christian parent through prayer and sometimes deliverance. Cancer has devastated my family. I pray against it all the time. Alcohol the same. I pray against those things in the Name of Jesus.

There are books on the subject that explain it much more succinctly than I can.


1,929 posted on 07/21/2008 4:11:38 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Petronski

Where in Scripture does God tell us to pray to anyone other than the Triune God?


1,930 posted on 07/21/2008 4:11:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: big'ol_freeper

UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH.

Certainly Paul’s prayer cloths had effect.

Going sky west and crooked with the idea is still well beyond unwise into nonsense and even hazard.


1,931 posted on 07/21/2008 4:12:23 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I would think that because this church is the “birthplace” of the Reformation.

The “95 Theses” were posted there. The flowers are on Martin Luther’s tomb and Philip Melanchthon’s tomb is also near the altar.


1,932 posted on 07/21/2008 4:12:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Why do some men "misuse" free will and others don't?

Because it is "free" will. It is a condition of the fall.

1,933 posted on 07/21/2008 4:12:31 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I don’t believe all statuary, etc. are evil. But there are items that are used by false religions, new agers, etc. that are. You need to be discerning.


1,934 posted on 07/21/2008 4:13:17 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Yes.


1,935 posted on 07/21/2008 4:13:45 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Where in Scripture does God tell us to pray to anyone other than the Triune God?

Where in Scripture does God tell us to make ourselves slaves to sola scriptura?

1,936 posted on 07/21/2008 4:14:16 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: andysandmikesmom

C.S. Lewis

wisely observed that there was great hazard

in paying satan too much interest and credit

and

too little.


1,937 posted on 07/21/2008 4:14:32 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Repeated paraphrasing of other people’s posts does not equal a sound argument.

I know.

That is why I do not do that.

1,938 posted on 07/21/2008 4:15:06 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: andysandmikesmom

Looking under every bed and teacup every other hour for demons

is a problem in and of itself.


1,939 posted on 07/21/2008 4:15:06 PM PDT by Quix (WE HAVE THE OIL NOW http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147)
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To: Marysecretary
Well your answer, frankly, assigns greater power to Satan than to God. Sorry, but them is the facts Mary.

Not to say you got it all wrong (proddies usually have it partially right) because one should be cautious and pray over everything that effects one's self and family...and bless them. This is VERY Catholic. I think you are being called home!! Praise Jesus!

Catholics pray over and bless just about everything (cars, pets, homes, anything new...). Here is just one page out of the index of the Catholic Book of Blessings:


1,940 posted on 07/21/2008 4:15:19 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Preach the Gospel always, and when necessary use words". ~ St. Francis of Assisi)
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