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To: Old Mountain man; Zakeet; Godzilla; Elsie; MHGinTN
We do not put satanic symbols on our Temples.

Why did Billy say what he said?

I don't know. He certainly shouldn't have done it, and he apologized and confessed his sin.

I have said and done things in my life that I regret. We all have a sin nature - and that is why Christ had to die for us. All of us have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23).

It is only through Christ's sacrifice on the cross that we can overcome our shorfallings and be worthy to God.

Don't you agree?

182 posted on 07/09/2008 3:38:41 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")
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To: SkyPilot
The inverted pentagram was used by Christians to symbolise the morning star. There are many reasons for this. As the morning star it tracks the elliptical path of Venus. You'll notice in many renditions that the points don't actually come together. The distance corresponds with the days that it is visible in the sky. Jesus is called the Morning star in the scriptures. "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Revelations 22:16)

Venus is reflective of the sunlight (the sun is associated with God in the Bible as well). It is a very complex and fitting meaning that early Christians attached to the morning star (inverted pentagram). What is amazing is how well they understood the astronomical properties. The symbolic meaning is touching as Jesus (the morning star) reflects the light of the celestial sun (the Father). Of course the first time it was associated with Satanism was from a defrocked French man of course. Leave it to the Frenchies to slander a Christian symbol so thouroughly that so called conservative (who uncannily keep using liberal arguments) have willingly given their symbol of Christ up. You should be standing up for your own Christians symbol.

Why do you collude with the defrocked Frenchie to promote the later false meaning of the morning star instead of the original Christian meanings. To use my analogy again. What you are arguing is that the rainbow really should be used for gays instead of as a sign of the covenant. Since when do Christians give up their symbols just to try to make Mormons look bad. you should be fighting for your own symbols.

The pdf link at this article is an interesting read. The inverted pentagram was associated with Christ by Constantine (ever heard of him?) and is found on the medal of honor as well. There are many pics in the pdf article linked here www.fairlds.org/pubs/Stars.pdf of the Christian usage over thousands of years of the inverted pentagram. Christian symbol inverted pentagram

The real question is are you going to continue to promote the secular Frenchie version and deny your own Christian meaning just to bash Mormons or are you going to stand unashamed and fight for your own symbols.

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

The Chartres Cathedral and Amiens Cathedral displays inverted pentagrams. The book by Yves, "Art of the Christian World: AD 200-1500 A handbook of Styles and Forms" has more.

This link discusses the Christological symoblism The Pentagram

...it should be also noted that they are non-existent in any depiction of the Devil or Satan before Éliphas Lévi’s nineteenth century Baphomet. [7] There are a number of examples of the pentagram found on buildings of a religious nature in Europe. [13] Notable examples can be seen on gravestones in the Claustro da Lavagem in the Convento at Tomar, Portugal, the monastery of Ravna, Bulgaria and the Church of All Saints at Kilham, Humberside, Yorkshire, England, which incorporates the symbol on the columns which support the Norman doorway. [10] It is indented on the gateposts of the churchyard of S. Peter’s, Walworth, England, built in 1824. [11] There are also a number of examples in the sketchbook of thirteenth century stonemason, Villard de Honnecourt. [8] Further examples of the pentagram’s use in Christian architecture can be found in a large carved inverted star in the centre of the north transept rose window of Amiens Cathedral in France, built between 1220 and 1410 C.E.; a huge inverted five-pointed star on the steeple of the Marktkirche, or Market Church in fourteenth century Hanover, Germany; the numerous inverted stars that surround a statue of Mary and the Christ Child in Chartres Cathedral circa 1150 C.E.; the interlaced star depicted in the "Berthold Missal" drawn in the Benedictine Abbey in Weingarten Germany circa 1225 C.E.; an inverted nativity star in the sculpted capital of a cloister pillar from the twelfth century C.E.; and various Orthodox paintings that illustrate the Mount of Transfiguration.[14]

14. See Martin Hürlimann, French Cathedrals. New York: Viking Press, 1967, p. 149 for Amiens Cathedral; Christian Norberg-Shulz, The Concept of Dwelling: On the Way to Figurative Architecture. New York: Rizzoli, 1985, p. 74 for Marktkirche; Gertrud Schiller, Iconography of Christian Art. Greenwich, Connecticut: New York Graphic Society, 1971, 1, plate 271 for Weingarten; Yves Christe, et. al., Art of the Christian World, A.D. 200-1500: A Handbook of Styles and Forms. New York: Rizzoli, 1982, p. 346; Leonid Ouspensky and Vladimir Lossky, The Meaning of Icons. Boston, Massachusetts: Boston Book and Art Shop, 1952, p. 213; Engelina Smirnova, Moscow Icons: 14th-17th Centuries. Oxford: Phaidon, 1989, figure 121; V. N. Lazarev, Moscow School of Icon Painting. Moscow: Ishkusstvo, 1971 for Orthodox paintings.

When the temple was built (and the Logan Temple which also has inverted stars) Mormons openly declared the Christ centered meaning of the stars (and published its meaning in the local newspapers of the day). Symbols mean what we (or God has attached to them). It is interesting that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which claims to be a restoration of the primitive Church of Christ, is the one who has the correct meaning of the early symbols while you have adopted and legitimized the defrocked Frenchman's version.

Mormons like this symbol as well. Care to have a go at it and say Mormons are gay now as well?


204 posted on 07/10/2008 3:01:17 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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