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To: Marysecretary
How many RC’s lay hands on the sick and they recover? I am willing to bet most of these posters wouldn’t do it. They don’t seem to believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and they certainly don’t believe WE have Him in our lives, especially when it comes to reading and interpreting scripture. Oh, if they only knew.

My city is in the middle of the worst flood it's ever had in recorded history. So the news person is interviewing this Catholic "priest" calling him Father. I mean even that!!!! The bible is clear about the use of that name so the RCC adopts it as their standard. Such incredible, evil disregard and disrespect for the bible!!!

5,993 posted on 06/16/2008 8:49:36 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: DungeonMaster
Such incredible, evil disregard and disrespect for the bible!!!

That one finds "evil" in something so innocuous is a measure of the perversity of turning the Bible into another book of the law and trying to be saved by works.

5,998 posted on 06/16/2008 9:09:06 AM PDT by papertyger (What Would Jesus Do? ... Remember "freak out and turn over tables," is a valid option ;o)
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To: DungeonMaster

The newscasters are just ignorant. Maybe Catholics are, too. I don’t know. The Bible is pretty clear on calling NO man Father but God. Call no man Master either. I call what many do, Catholics AND Protestants, smorgasbording the Bible. Take out what you want and make your religion or agenda around that. Sigh.


5,999 posted on 06/16/2008 9:16:08 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: DungeonMaster
So the news person is interviewing this Catholic "priest" calling him Father. I mean even that!!!!

**GASP**

Quel horreur!

6,002 posted on 06/16/2008 9:21:54 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DungeonMaster

What of the millions of American protestants who yesterday celebrated Father’s Day?

What about Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to “our father Abraham,” or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of “our father Isaac?”


6,004 posted on 06/16/2008 9:26:14 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DungeonMaster
In the face of stiff-necked legalisms, here is some wisdom about Matthew 23:9-10, from Haydock's Commentaries:

Mat 23:9-10 Call none your father ... Neither be ye called masters, &c. The meaning is, that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master is to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers, (1 Corinthians iv. 15,) and for our masters and teachers. (Challoner)

--- This name was a title of dignity: the presidents of the assembly of twenty-three judges where so called; the second judge of the sanhedrim, &c. (Bible de Vence)

--- Nothing is here forbidden but the contentious divisions, and self-assumed authority, of such as make themselves leaders and favourers of schisms and sects; as Donatus, Arius, Luther, Calvin, and innumerable other of very modern date. But by no means the title of father, attributed by the faith, piety, and confidence of good people, to their directors; for, St. Paul tells the Corinthians, that he is their only spiritual Father: If you have 10,000 instructors in Christ, yet not many Fathers. (1 Corinthians iv. 15.)

6,011 posted on 06/16/2008 9:32:41 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DungeonMaster

Is your home affected by the flood? I pray not.


6,013 posted on 06/16/2008 9:36:38 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: DungeonMaster

***The bible is clear about the use of that name so the RCC adopts it as their standard. Such incredible, evil disregard and disrespect for the bible!!!***

Why don’t we look at Matt 23 in context.

Matt 23:
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1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples,
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2 saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses.
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Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice.
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They tie up heavy burdens 3 (hard to carry) and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they will not lift a finger to move them.
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4 All their works are performed to be seen. They widen their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels.
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5 They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues,
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greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation ‘Rabbi.’
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6 As for you, do not be called ‘Rabbi.’ You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers.
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Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven.
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Do not be called ‘Master’; you have but one master, the Messiah.

He is warning everyone here to avoid pride and hubris.

Do not be called ‘teacher’. So every Protestant that calls someone ‘teacher’ is committing a sin?

By the way, ‘doctor’ means ‘teacher’ - we speak of the Doctors of the Church. Brainyquote has as its first definition: A teacher; one skilled in a profession, or branch of knowledge; a learned man.

So Protestants should avoid the term ‘doctor’ as well.

Ditto with the term ‘master’ from which Mister and Mistress are derived. Better avoid those as well.

Let us example a little further what Jesus meant. Doctor means teacher.

1 Tim 2:
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For this I was appointed preacher and apostle (I am speaking the truth, I am not lying), teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

2 Tim 1:
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7 He saved us and called us to a holy life, not according to our works but according to his own design and the grace bestowed on us in Christ Jesus before time began,
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but now made manifest through the appearance of our savior Christ Jesus, who destroyed death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
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8 for which I was appointed preacher and apostle and teacher.

1 Co 12:
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Some people God has designated in the church to be, first, apostles; second, prophets; third, teachers

and so on.

So what does He mean? He means that accept no ‘fatherhood’ or ‘teacher’ claim on those who do not merit it. Paul calls Timothy his ‘son’ many times throughout his letters. Peter refers to Gospel writer Mark as his son.

In conclusion, I give you 1 Cor 4:
I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 5
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Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Is Paul demonstrating ***Such incredible, evil disregard and disrespect for the bible!!!***?


6,088 posted on 06/16/2008 11:08:27 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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