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To: TASMANIANRED

***Talk about someone walking with Jesus all the days of her life.***

Yet many of our brethren call her irrelevant and would say that Enoch or Elijah or Moses or Saul or David is more worthy than her.

Those that would call the Theotokos - the God bearer - the vile things that they refer to her (and the ones who honour her) as ought to be ashamed. They have an austere and puritan (Manichaean) theology, barren and cheerless.


5,015 posted on 06/11/2008 5:27:45 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

It is shameful and heart breaking at the same time.


5,022 posted on 06/11/2008 5:52:26 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: MarkBsnr
What vile “things”? The Roman Catholic/Orthodox and even prottys such as some Lutherans fantasies based on either a intellectual arguments from silence (Perpetual virginity) or dogmas based on legends (Assumed into Heaven) that will reap God's wrath if you even question it?

Those God directly touched and worked with such as Enoch or Elijah or Moses or Saul or David are all creations on par with Mary. Each fulfilled a role that God revealed, encouraged and blessed them with.

Most human beings have an independent will. Throughout history a few men and women were hand chosen by God before they were ever created in the temporal dimension we reside in now. The only human Christ said was greater than anybody else in terms of being “touched by God” is John the Baptist. Jesus further went on to say “Yet even the least important person in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

Excuse us if some people start to scratch their heads at “the only one true Church” that assumes the arrogant position of speaking ex cathedra ("Formally" defined in the swift year of 1870 in the year of our Lord) and determining your eternal soul is is jeopardy because you question some legend that has nothing to do with salvation by the Cross.

Perhaps you are confusing people's faith as “austere and puritan (Manichaean) theology, barren and cheerless” with not accepting the fantasies brought upon by speculation and suspect traditions of fallible men with a penchant for imagination.

No matter what any Roman Catholic says, in order to not face the wrath of God decreed by your Church one must be compelled to believe in Mary's assumption. This proclaimed in 1950. Excuse those who are God/Christ/Holy Spirit only that question your Church putting Mary on a higher pedestal than Enoch or Elijah or Moses or Saul or David or any other creation directly chosen by God to act in His will. The evidence is in the dogma.

Still looking for that verse/command which says your going to hell if you question who Jesus brings up to Heaven with their human earthly body. Also still looking for that Apostle/early Church father who ever tought about an assumption. Would have been vital information BACK THEN if your eternal soul would be in jeopordy post 1950.

5,056 posted on 06/11/2008 7:07:44 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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