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To: MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; OLD REGGIE; wmfights; Gamecock
As Seinfeld said to the lady at the rental car booth, "You know how to take the reservation; you just don't know how to keep the reservation."

Actually read Ephesians 1, Mark.

Does it say God chose His own from before the foundation of the world, and that it was that choosing, that adoption by God, which made them acceptable to Him by Christ?

Sure enough.

And you stopped too soon. Keep reading the chapter because there's a lot of good stuff about how we come to understand God and whether or not we can be sure of His salvation of us...

"That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places" -- Eph. 1:17-20

May God enlighten the eyes of your understanding, Mark. The sooner the better.

10,637 posted on 06/30/2008 7:09:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***”That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places” — Eph. 1:17-20***

Yes, Christ came for us all, not the high school student council who have amounted to nothing in their real lives and require SOMETHING to assure themselves with.

There is nothing wrong with Ephesians. Read the whole epistle. We are all God’s chosen; it is man who rejects God, and not vice versa. God came to save the whole world. It is not the selected elite elect self named and self identified that choose God’s chosen.


10,661 posted on 06/30/2008 8:20:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***As Seinfeld said to the lady at the rental car booth, “You know how to take the reservation; you just don’t know how to keep the reservation.”***

Not content to return your verses of misunderstood Paul to my quotes of the Gospels, now you are quoting Seinfeld (Jewish on both his mother’s and father’s sides) to me about Jesus.

Oy vey.


10,663 posted on 06/30/2008 8:30:32 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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