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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***”That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places” — Eph. 1:17-20***

Yes, Christ came for us all, not the high school student council who have amounted to nothing in their real lives and require SOMETHING to assure themselves with.

There is nothing wrong with Ephesians. Read the whole epistle. We are all God’s chosen; it is man who rejects God, and not vice versa. God came to save the whole world. It is not the selected elite elect self named and self identified that choose God’s chosen.


10,661 posted on 06/30/2008 8:20:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
There is nothing wrong with Ephesians. Read the whole epistle. We are all God's chosen

If all men were chosen by God to have their sins paid for by Jesus Christ, then all men would be forgiven and all men would be saved.

Are all men saved?

You offer no evidence from Ephesians 1 for any of this universal salvation you're pushing. OTC, the evidence of Scripture is against your opinion.

To whom is Paul addressing his epistle? To those who have been graced with faith in Christ.

"Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers" -- Eph. 1:15-16

Your theology is pablum. God loves with specificity and life-changing intent. Therefore Christ knows His own because the Father gave them to Him, according to His plan of creation from before the foundation of the world, before anyone could do any "good or evil," and thus Christ will lose none of them.

10,743 posted on 07/01/2008 11:05:46 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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