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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: John Leland 1789

He also argues that Sunday is not the Lord’s Day, the Church is the harlot, and that the Pope is the antiChrist.

Nice.


6,281 posted on 06/16/2008 3:03:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION

PROLOGUE

"FATHER, . . . this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."1 "God our Savior desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."2 "There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved"3 - than the name of JESUS.

6,282 posted on 06/16/2008 3:04:26 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

It is true.


6,283 posted on 06/16/2008 3:05:20 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Running On Empty

***I received the same “admonition” from the same poster.

Never does such a comment cease to amaze me, especially so when it’s addressed to you personally, as was done to me.***

I wonder what his Judgement Room looks like. Will he have angels serving him and saints praying endlessly to him?


6,284 posted on 06/16/2008 3:06:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Petronski

Then someone should tell the RCC to stop encouraging its members to believe Mary shoulders the burden for their sins.


6,285 posted on 06/16/2008 3:06:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Flee from idalotry." -- 1 Corinthians 10:14"

I think this may refer to people who were worshiping the sun, mother nature, Greek Gods, etc. There were entire civilizations that worshiped animals and the like.

I don't see how God would have a problem with our great appreciation of His children that have served him.

We are called to love each other. Not ignore everyone except Jesus.

The following is an interesting article.
"Woman Who Had Near-Death Experience Recalls Surprising Way She Was 'Judged' ...

While we should be prudent with everything we accept, I think it is an insightfull article. It is only for those who believe that Jesus is still with us and continues to enlighten us. Not for Sola Scritura followers.(This article wasn't in the Bible)

6,286 posted on 06/16/2008 3:06:11 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: tiki; Marysecretary
I asked my questions respectfully of people I respected and if they didn’t have the answer, they asked someone who knew or we found out together.

I remember one time when my friends were Catechizing me a woman came to our prayer meeting, she wouldn’t come back because we were too intellectual.




Oh wow! The "Righteous Catholic" equivalent of the Trilateral Comission. Only the few are deserving of entrance.

"Pride goeth.............."

6,287 posted on 06/16/2008 3:06:22 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know no thing.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

While Christ walked the earth, did He preach or did He write?


6,288 posted on 06/16/2008 3:06:36 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

What is the RCC?


6,289 posted on 06/16/2008 3:08:32 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: MarkBsnr
Please, Dr. E., read the words of Jesus which are as mountains over the words of men.

LOL. And yet you asserted the supremacy of "oral tradition" with you wrote...

Jesus taught entirely orally and that is how the early Church taught.

Seems like you're now confirming the fact that Jesus' ministry has been committed to the written word.

On that, we agree.

6,290 posted on 06/16/2008 3:10:09 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: John Leland 1789

***Dr. Paisely is not trying to build or sustain a movement by telling people that salvation, God’s greatest blessings, or the depths of Christian joy are tied somehow to his own church, denomination or communion table. And that does make a big diffrence to many.***

Well, what has he done?

He created his own church. And has parlayed that status into becoming the head of the Democratic Unionist Party and has been a member of both the British and European Parliaments (kinda reminds me of certain preachers here in that regard).

http://www.ianpaisley.org/antichrist.asp gives Paisley’s full explanation of how the Pope is the anti Christ.

What is he doing? Gathering money and power.


6,291 posted on 06/16/2008 3:18:04 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Petronski

LOL, They are so intent on harm to Catholics that they would rather take the word of someone who believes Jesus isn’t Jesus.

Par for their course. No slander too malicious, no pretended ignorance too fantastic, just as long as those words “prove” their position.

These people who supposedly base their believe on Scripture alone will grasp any straw to defame Catholicism. It is quite sad.


6,292 posted on 06/16/2008 3:19:09 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: OLD REGGIE

***Better to know what you are saying and have a slight spelling definciency than to spell correctly and have a logic deficiency.***

I prefer to have a good knowledge of what I am saying, good spelling and grammar and good logic and reason.

And, by the Grace of God, I am a member of His Church. He has blessed me considerably, I can ask for no more except to be with Him forever.


6,293 posted on 06/16/2008 3:20:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

***It was some time ago. I wish that FR had an in-post search function.

I’ll see what Google can come up with.

Some time ago and you still bear the cross of agony. Get over it.***

Some of us have meetings and stuff to go to, but if you insist. I did manage to find the other references you enquired about.


6,294 posted on 06/16/2008 3:22:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: papertyger

***So where’s His command to ammend the Scriptures and make them the highest authority.

If it were that important, don’t you think we’d have been given unambiguous instructions?***

You’d think that the hijacking Reformed Holy Spirit would bring a full set during the moment of saving the elect that is perfect and therefore nobody would argue or misunderstand or have hundreds of different Bibles and tens of thousands of different beliefs.


6,295 posted on 06/16/2008 3:26:08 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

***I assure you if I had seen these posts (the last two) I would have taken exception.***

I believe you would. Even though we are on different sides usually. And I thank you for that.

***It is just as bad as the Pope telling us we must be subject to the Roman Pontiff for salvation.***

See?


6,296 posted on 06/16/2008 3:28:41 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarDav

***But, of course, He did tell all those that recorded the books that make up the scriptures to indeed write them down—by His Spirit.***

Where does it say that? Are you making this up? Chapter and verse please.

***Yes. He said at one point to the Jews, “Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.” ***

Testimony is not all encompassing. It by itself does not necessarily consitute proof. It is evidence.

***And, of course later He said, “Follow Me.” ***

To the Apostles, to which He later told them to go to the whole world.


6,297 posted on 06/16/2008 3:31:49 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

***I have unused crutches in my shed, I have several unused orthotics in my closet, and I can’t begin to tell you how many bandages have been discarded in the trash over the years.***

In many cases, the people were carried in and walked out. It’s been a few years, but I remember a bunch of wheelchairs, and at least a couple of stretchers.


6,298 posted on 06/16/2008 3:33:54 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***”What saith the Scriptures?

Read the Scriptures, Mark. Christ said repeatedly...***

You mean like this?

John 19:
24
So they said to one another, “Let’s not tear it, but cast lots for it to see whose it will be,” in order that the passage of scripture might be fulfilled (that says): “They divided my garments among them, and for my vesture they cast lots.” This is what the soldiers did.

If we look at the timeline, first came the OT, then came Christ (from whence came the Gospels) and then came the rest of the NT. Perhaps there is some difficulty in understanding the sequence of events that I can help with.


6,299 posted on 06/16/2008 3:45:18 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***Please, Dr. E., read the words of Jesus which are as mountains over the words of men.

LOL. And yet you asserted the supremacy of “oral tradition” with you wrote...***

Ummm, the oral tradition taught the words of the Lord.

***Jesus taught entirely orally and that is how the early Church taught.

Seems like you’re now confirming the fact that Jesus’ ministry has been committed to the written word.***

Your ears to hear may have had the batteries turned off. The written word includes Scripture and the Catechism.


6,300 posted on 06/16/2008 3:48:58 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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