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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: XeniaSt

If by “Rome” you mean most of Italy (not counting local patois, creoles and like that) that’s my understanding too.


621 posted on 06/01/2008 4:41:38 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: wardaddy; Ultra Sonic 007

God didn’t choose her for nothing

616 posted on June 1, 2008 5:36:55 PM MDT by wardaddy

Miriam's role was not her characteristics or value,
but her bloodlines to King David,
having no brothers and
the exception started by
the daughters of Zelophehad.

There are five things that are important here:

1. Miriam is a daughter who has no brothers
and is descended from King David.

2. Joseph is descended from King David.
But he is from a line prohibited to inherit.

3. The inheritance exception granted for the daughters of Zelophehad
(These were daughters who had no brothers)
is in effect (Numbers 26, 27, 36; Joshua 17; 1 Chronicles 7).

4. If a woman who has no brothers marries a man of the same tribe
She can inherit forever.

5. Joseph and Miriam are married (each descended from King David)
thus providing Miriam with permanent inheritance
of the Kingship of David for her to pass on to her son Yah'shua (Messiahship).

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
622 posted on 06/01/2008 4:41:46 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Was that you that mentioned the Canterbury Tales the other day

Yep!

I like Donne a lot, but I think George Herbert was my favorite among the Metaphysicals!

623 posted on 06/01/2008 4:42:27 PM PDT by maryz
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To: XeniaSt

very cool X, thanks


624 posted on 06/01/2008 4:43:47 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Roms. 10:8-9 ..."The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

It is all going to go back to one thing and only one thing. Either you have Faith in Jesus Christ and believe the Gospel or you don't. Bringing Mary into it or any of the other stuff won't help you. It may make you feel better but in the end it is only by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone that we are saved.

625 posted on 06/01/2008 4:43:47 PM PDT by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: maryz

Done has more wit and beauty of language. Herbert has soul.


626 posted on 06/01/2008 4:44:10 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

I admire Donne enormously, but I love Herbert! (Even named my cat for him after college!)


627 posted on 06/01/2008 4:46:15 PM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz; Mad Dawg

Well I fell into american lit, Emerson etc. My friends tho forced me to accompany them to taverns and I was not the scholar I should have been, there towards the end.


628 posted on 06/01/2008 4:46:26 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Mad Dawg; maryz

When thou hast Done thou hast not Donne, [unless Dawg is doing the typing]


629 posted on 06/01/2008 4:46:30 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: maryz; Mad Dawg

I got some kind of award for my discourse on To a Flea


630 posted on 06/01/2008 4:47:39 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Those individuals with eyes to see and ears to hear make up the church of Jesus Christ on earth. Some denominations contain more Scriptural truth than others.

It's such a shame you don't see the irreconcilable contradiction between these two sentences.

631 posted on 06/01/2008 4:48:18 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: 1000 silverlings
My friends tho forced me to accompany them to taverns

I guess they were more into seventeenth century than American! If they were eighteenth century, it would have been coffee houses, which might have made the studying easier! ;-)

632 posted on 06/01/2008 4:48:39 PM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz

lol


633 posted on 06/01/2008 4:49:33 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Antoninus; Ultra Sonic 007
When we pray to her, we ask for her to interceed on our behalf with her Son, Jesus.

And if she didn't intercede Jesus wouldn't hear our prayers?

See #318.
634 posted on 06/01/2008 4:52:23 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Judith Anne
DR.E: According to the RCC catechsim, found at Vatican.va, all Scripture must be interpreted by the magisiterium, the bishops and the pope.

JUDITH ANNE: I'm down wid dat.

What's the point of the magisterium's "interpretation" if you can bring your own understanding to the Bible's meaning?

Catholics clearly are told they must accept the magisterium's interpretation of Scripture, regardless of when or even if they ever get around to reading the Bible themselves.

Thus many Catholics don't read the Bible because they prefer to read the catechism and what the magisterium tells them the Bible says which is what you just high-fived.

When a Catholic finally does get around to reading Bible, the rolls of the Protestant churches grow, by the grace of God alone.

635 posted on 06/01/2008 4:54:23 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Judith Anne
Of COURSE Christ would hear our prayers, whether or not we asked for Mary’s intercession.

See #318.
636 posted on 06/01/2008 4:54:39 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
And if she didn't intercede Jesus wouldn't hear our prayers?

I didn't think it was only Catholics who posted prayer request threads -- or posted on them that they certainly would pray as requested. I was sure I've seen screen names of Protestants . . .

637 posted on 06/01/2008 4:55:39 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Amen, brother.


638 posted on 06/01/2008 4:56:11 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Eerily and creepily similiar.

Mary would be ashamed of what has been taught in her name.

639 posted on 06/01/2008 4:56:22 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: wmfights
ither you have Faith in Jesus Christ and believe the Gospel or you don't. Bringing Mary into it or any of the other stuff won't help you. It may make you feel better but in the end it is only by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone that we are saved.

I'm going to try to be serious here a minute. Whaddya mean, "... won't help you?" It SOUNDS like all that life in Christ is about is getting one's ticket punched on the Holy Land Express. Either you have the ticket or you don't. If you do, cool, that's it.

From MY POV — and another "envious sprite" will call this self-congratulatory — there's way more going on here than admission through the platform turnstile. I don't go to Mass or read my Bible and my office or pray my Rosary or study or discuss or attempt the occasional good work to "get to heaven". I do it to enjoy God and all He has done and is doing, and to enjoy Him more fully, in Himself and in His saints who "make Him glorious" (in the sense that one way He shows His glory is in the works he does in the saints.)

If the only "help" is getting one's ticket punched, then maybe this isn't help. But it's good, it's from God, and I'm not stopping.

640 posted on 06/01/2008 4:56:45 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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