Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007
And none come to Christ except the Father call him. In other words, the elect come to Christ, called by the Father, the rest are the depraved wicked and their lot is Hell.
Why, I thought all the RC’s were Biblical scholars...
Yes it does. It does not say what Cauvin claims it does.
We don't know why God elected some and not others...
That puzzle is easy to solve: He did not. God loves us all and wants us all to be saved.
***ROTFLOL! Your method of debate is pretty clear to anyone reading these posts, Mark.
I posted the Scripture verses you requested in post 5,447. That you do not understand those Scripture verses is not within my ability to remedy. Illumination is the work of the Holy Spirit. ***
Obfuscation is not.
You have proven nothing: none of your posting even refers to hell or predestination.
If you're referring to Catholics, where'd you get an idea like that?
People can be saved by living a moral life without knowing anything about Christ? (I’ll leave out the Catholic church) That is such heresy, mgist. Christ is the beginning, middle, and end of salvation. Without Him there IS no salvation.
*** People do know the differences between what cults teach and what bonafide churches who preach the gospel teach. It’s not rocket science. The author has probably studied this for years.***
Probably? The Sword of Damocles is dangling over your soul when you make statements like that.
More Calvin?
You have presented exactly zero verse which supports predestination to hell. Calvin is wrong, and so are all of his supporters.
***And none come to Christ except the Father call him. In other words, the elect come to Christ, called by the Father, the rest are the depraved wicked and their lot is Hell.***
In other words? You mean in words other than what is in the Bible.
Sola Scriptura is a lie, isn’t it?
Do you imagine God is not powerful enough to save those who, through no fault of their own, had no opportunity to learn of Christ, but led life as He commanded?
Will God damn that person based on a technicality?
False Traditions of Men: In other words, the elect come to Christ, called by the Father, the rest are the depraved wicked and their lot is Hell.
Seems like sola scriptura fails here, unless that blue part can be found in Scripture.
Amen, Dr. E. Great post!
He’s dead, Jim.
lol, so all those that aren’t called by the Father, and are not in Christ, what is their lot? What scripture do you have supporting another view? What anything do you have? If they aren’t called by the Father, are they “called by the mother?” lol
***False Traditions of Men: In other words, the elect come to Christ, called by the Father, the rest are the depraved wicked and their lot is Hell.
Seems like sola scriptura fails here, unless that blue part can be found in Scripture.***
The good Dr. E. is surpassingly unable to provide verse that supports predestination to hell. None of her quoted verse proves anything to that effect.
She says it does, but it obviously doesn’t. I’m not sure short of language lessons what can be done here in order to rescue her from her theology of hate and death.
And are you saying the “authorities” can contradict itself?
Over 20 books, written before 100AD, were never questioned as not being inspired, hence always deemed from oral Apostolistic tradition. The fight was over 5 books suspected as not being inspired and geographically flip-flopped around by various “authoritative” councils.
The only REAL authority is GOD and He made it clear what would be in the Bible (Temporal speaking) before 100AD.
***lol, so all those that aren’t called by the Father, and are not in Christ, what is their lot? What scripture do you have supporting another view? What anything do you have? If they aren’t called by the Father, are they “called by the mother?” lol***
Who is not called by the Father? Name them.
Hey, talking about the Catholic church again?
You didn’t say “please”
At Jamnia? LOL
A gathering of Pharisees ripping Christian books out of the Bible is hardly the voice of God.
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