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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: papertyger
And there is absolutely NO Scripture making sola scriptura a legitimate doctrine of the Church.

So the more you look for other sources of doctrine the less regard you have for the bible. This is evident in Marianism. Marianism is the most damning evidence of RC disrespect for the Word of God and, therefore, God Himself.

4,141 posted on 06/09/2008 5:47:09 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I know that. But I think some people stayed to think they could be a witness to their community. One of my nurses when I had my first open heart surgery was a saved Catholic. She stayed for that reason.


4,142 posted on 06/09/2008 5:53:46 AM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank God for Father Kenneth Baker in his essay, "The Amazing Gift of the Priesthood" who clarifies the debate when he informs us that "priests are 'another Christ' in both their professional and private lives."

That term alter Christus does not mean the Catholic Church teaches each priest is some new fresh Messiah. Catholicism teaches no such thing.

4,143 posted on 06/09/2008 5:58:26 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

you’ve done ALL of those. for example I asked “can you show me in the bible....”

and your answer was:

“I WILL NOT”

And your cute reply to another Q was to cite a bible passage about not giving knowlege to ignorant dogs...


4,144 posted on 06/09/2008 5:59:13 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: roamer_1
You mean, like 'predestination'?

That would be what I am specifically denying. Notice I said "...does NOT equal..."

4,145 posted on 06/09/2008 5:59:52 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Rather (via Strong's Concordance):

G3304
μενοῦνγε
menounge
men-oon'-geh
From G3303 and G3767 and G1065; so then at least: - nay but, yea doubtless (rather, verily).

I'll paste this, from Haydock's Commentaries:

Luk 11:28 Greek: Menounge, imo vero, yes indeed. Our Saviour does not here wish to deny what the woman had said, but rather to confirm it: indeed how could he deny, as Calvin impiously maintained, that his mother was blessed? By these words, he only wishes to tell his auditors what great advantage they might obtain by attending to his words. For the blessed Virgin, as St. Augustine says, was more happy in having our Saviour in her heart and affections, than in having conceived him in her womb. (Tirinus)

4,146 posted on 06/09/2008 6:03:18 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Mr. K

You said “show me where it says that in the bible”

and I replied

“I will not.”

That was not refusal to answer a question. “Show me...” is a command.


4,147 posted on 06/09/2008 6:07:22 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

ok... CAN YOU show me in the bible where it says to worship Mary?


4,148 posted on 06/09/2008 6:09:11 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K

I cannot.


4,149 posted on 06/09/2008 6:12:37 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: DungeonMaster

I think the Marianists and the Jesuits should duke it out in a TV Death Match to settle this once and for all


4,150 posted on 06/09/2008 6:13:55 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: DollyCali

Thank you for the ping, Dolly. I spent far too much time reading this today, and not participating, but you are right about it being a fascinating discussion.


4,151 posted on 06/09/2008 6:14:44 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; Quix; 1000 silverlings; OLD REGGIE; Gamecock
The current pope may try to diminish the title of "co-redeemer" for the moment. But that hasn't stopped Catholics on this forum from saying Mary is on the cross with Christ and helping Him to save His sheep.

RCs say, if Mary had not agreed to become pregnant, the plan of salvation would not have worked. My response is, "If Mary's parents hadn't....... so why not honor, venerate, adulate, glorify, revere, love, praise, enshrine ete etc etc etc them also?".

4,152 posted on 06/09/2008 6:18:02 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; Quix; 1000 silverlings; OLD REGGIE; Gamecock

They could be “Grandparents of God”.


4,153 posted on 06/09/2008 6:18:58 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
MARY WAS UNITED TO JESUS ON THE CROSS

"A disciple and friend of St Bernard, Arnold of Chartres, shed light particularly on Mary's offering in the sacrifice of Calvary. He distinguished in the Cross "two altars: one in Mary's heart, the other in Christ's body. Christ sacrificed his flesh, Mary her soul". Mary sacrificed herself spiritually in deep communion with Christ, and implored the world's salvation: "What the mother asks, the Son approves and the Father grants" (cf. De septem verbis Domini in cruce, 3: PL 189, 1694)..."

I'll see that and raise you:

7. The saints have said wonderful things of Mary, the holy City of God, and, as they themselves admit, they were never more eloquent and more pleased than when they spoke of her. And yet they maintain that the height of her merits rising up to the throne of the Godhead cannot be perceived; the breadth of her love which is wider than the earth cannot be measured; the greatness of the power which she wields over one who is God cannot be conceived; and the depths of her profound humility and all her virtues and graces cannot be sounded. What incomprehensible height! What indescribable breadth! What immeasurable greatness! What an impenetrable abyss!

http://www.ewtn.com/library/Montfort/truedevo.htm

4,154 posted on 06/09/2008 6:28:50 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Obamafeld, "A CAMPAIGN ABOUT NOTHING".)
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To: DungeonMaster
Ever hear of Sts Joachim and Anne?

Incidentally, for the record, I think hypothesis contrary to fact makes a bad argument. We don't and can't know what might have been had Mary said, "No." Aslan never says what might have been had something happened which didn't happen. I know 'cause I saw the movie.

4,155 posted on 06/09/2008 6:34:58 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg; roamer_1
“How about this: Someone who approaches the Scriptures without the organizing and hermeneutic of catholic tradition [note singular, though I'm not sure why - caffein, brain,... you understand] will not find in them what we teach about Mary.”

What do you suppose the effect of Paul's teaching would have had if the Bereans approached the scriptures through “the organizing and hermeneutic of ‘the Jewish synagogue’ tradition”, as did the Thessalonians?

Act 17:11-12, “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.”

It would appear that when we approach the scriptures through any humanly constructed “organizing and hermeneutic ..... tradition”, what ever it is (ex. Liberation Theology), we will end up with the interpretation that the constructor desires rather than letting the scriptures speak for themselves under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It would appear that is what the word translated “noble” in the passage means; a willing mind.

4,156 posted on 06/09/2008 6:43:52 AM PDT by enat
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To: mgist
Like some like to insinuate after totally insulting others, "Oh you always play the victim"

Moi?

Though we both have been on FR for some time I am not familiar with you and your posting style. Your participation in this thread leads me to believe you are a dyed-in-the-wool practicing Catholic and that's all to the good. (I also see a slight tendency to proseletyze. :) Fine, but don't let you're expectation of results to be realized.)

Also, I believe you take criticism of the Catholic Church personally and , at times, strike out at the critic. That's not good.

Objectively, we meet all kinds in life and on this forum. Nasty, dishonest, disassembling, disruptors, sweet, innocent, wanderers, you name it. Most though, are sincere and honest despite their different "styles". Frankly, I feel you let emotion take over at times. Perhaps a short break, a coffee, wine, beer, (whatever) break is advisable at these times.

Please note I am not holding myself up as an example though, in my 8th decade, I am s-l-o-w-l-y improving.

4,157 posted on 06/09/2008 6:48:30 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Petronski

I didn’t think so


4,158 posted on 06/09/2008 6:48:49 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: Mr. K

Why would I even try?


4,159 posted on 06/09/2008 6:51:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Mad Dawg
A lot of people think that JP2 is a saint.

Not all Popes are thought to be saints.

Items touched by a saint are relics. That's all.

Oh I see. I guess we can call this a "Pre-Publication" sale.

4,160 posted on 06/09/2008 6:55:20 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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