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To: Mad Dawg; roamer_1
“How about this: Someone who approaches the Scriptures without the organizing and hermeneutic of catholic tradition [note singular, though I'm not sure why - caffein, brain,... you understand] will not find in them what we teach about Mary.”

What do you suppose the effect of Paul's teaching would have had if the Bereans approached the scriptures through “the organizing and hermeneutic of ‘the Jewish synagogue’ tradition”, as did the Thessalonians?

Act 17:11-12, “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.”

It would appear that when we approach the scriptures through any humanly constructed “organizing and hermeneutic ..... tradition”, what ever it is (ex. Liberation Theology), we will end up with the interpretation that the constructor desires rather than letting the scriptures speak for themselves under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It would appear that is what the word translated “noble” in the passage means; a willing mind.

4,156 posted on 06/09/2008 6:43:52 AM PDT by enat
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To: enat
This is like a kabuki fight. I know ritually raise my ancient dialectical sword and respond, in dramatic tones:
Imprimis: The word heresy which has notions of "choose" or even "abstract" (in the sense of "draw from") would be our guide here. If one chunk of the larger whole is taken out, we have a mess. And, even more formally,
Secundo: Neither the Church nor her Tradition (in our view)is a humanly constructed uh, whatever you said ...

It's the same problem as the one I mentioned earlier, the question of continuity between the Church before Constantine and the Church after him. If you think the CC is humanly constructed, the Council of Nicea is as good a date as any and better than some for the construction date. If yhou don't, then you think legalization of Xtry was a problem which the Church wrestled with then and still wrestles with now. Things were so much clearer when it was against the law.

Having swung my blade in the formal manner, I now bow and stolidly await your riposte.

O-enat-sama, Arigato Gozaimasu

4,162 posted on 06/09/2008 6:58:44 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: enat; Mad Dawg
Hello enat. Welcome to FR.

Act 17:11-12, “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.”

It would appear that when we approach the scriptures through any humanly constructed “organizing and hermeneutic ..... tradition”[...] we will end up with the interpretation that the constructor desires rather than letting the scriptures speak for themselves under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Your post mirrors my concerns exactly, albeit you seem to retain a marvelous ability to say the same things in less than a paragraph or two, where I must write a boring tome.

It would seem that the Bereans' method was extolled as a proper form while in comparison, the priesthood was warned against in that it taught by rote the laws of men.

Very well posted FRiend.

4,897 posted on 06/11/2008 1:07:14 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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