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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: enat

The Douay-Rheims-Challoner Bible and the Catechism of the Catholic Church, both provided to us by God through the work of the Holy Spirit, in the name of Christ our Lord and Savior.


3,601 posted on 06/06/2008 2:17:39 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: enat
What do you believe is your basis for ultimate truth and how do you know it is trustworthy?

First rule of effective communication: define your terms...

3,602 posted on 06/06/2008 2:20:28 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Petronski

Ditto


3,603 posted on 06/06/2008 2:20:41 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: papertyger

Your funny. Honestly, can you imagine how Jesus felt with the Pharisees? Always trying to trick Him and catch him in his evil ways. No matter what He said. They knew He was wicked. My light today was to pray before any response to those who haven’t felt God’s real love. Not that I always do it, but we should.


3,604 posted on 06/06/2008 2:25:40 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: Mad Dawg
So YOU live on fire. It'll spread.

You are awesome! Thank you for all that you do. Now that I have evolved in my faithwalk, I almost envy those of you who are so spritiually enlightened. It is because at the end of the day, all that matters, is God. What a blessing it is to have that faith. Very few people really do. I have come so far, but I feel like a toddler learning to walk, I fall all the time. People like you who walk in faith inspire me so much. Thank you. May God bless you a million times over.

3,605 posted on 06/06/2008 2:40:32 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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To: mgist

Nicest post of the day! Thanks, mgist. :)


3,606 posted on 06/06/2008 2:46:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netmilsmom; Dr. Eckleburg
“Yet when asked, in a 2000 interview by Peter Seewald contained in the book God and the World, whether the Church would go along with the desire to solemnly define Mary as Co-redemptrix, Ratzinger’s response doesn’t look good. He says that the title Co-redemptrix “departs to too great an extent from the language of Scripture and of the Fathers and therefore gives rise to misunderstandings”

Your reference has no official recognition. Please reference a more reliable source.
3,607 posted on 06/06/2008 2:59:57 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

Hi Reggie:)

I’m doing OK...one day at a time.

I’m glad your doing well:) I see it’s the same ole same ole around here.

Becky


3,608 posted on 06/06/2008 3:01:54 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: Petronski

Why, the anti-Catholic bigot of course.


3,609 posted on 06/06/2008 3:01:54 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Pyro7480; Dr. Eckleburg
...you work to dethrone the person God Himself has raised.

Amazing. The apostles each have thrones (Matt. 19:28, cf Rev 20:4) twenty-four elders (who may include the apostles) have their own thrones (Rev. 11:16), God sits on a throne (Heb. 12:2, Rev 1:5, 12:5), and Christ stands at the center of that throne (Rev. 7:17)...but I've never heard of Mary being seated at a throne in Heaven.

3,610 posted on 06/06/2008 3:05:05 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: mgist
My light today was to pray before any response to those who haven't felt God's real love. Not that I always do it, but we should.

You're right, of course. But if you'll read John 9, you'll note the man born blind doesn't have a whole lot of patience for the guys giving him the "third degree" after he receives his sight.

My story's not quite that dramatic, but not too far off either.

3,611 posted on 06/06/2008 3:05:36 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Oh, of course...


3,612 posted on 06/06/2008 3:05:42 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary

Unless there is a freeper named “anti-Catholic bigot,” there is no one who has cause to take that personally (except maybe guilt).


3,613 posted on 06/06/2008 3:06:35 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Marysecretary

Praise report! The dog only doo dood once and now he’s fine, and the water has been fixed by our friend who does that kind of work. He has to come back tomorrow to do some more but it was electrical. Whew. Pray now that it won’t cost us too much.


3,614 posted on 06/06/2008 3:08:03 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: papertyger
.If there were a flaw in the chain of reasoning I laid out

what "chain of reasoning" was that, exactly, as I sure don't remember any

3,615 posted on 06/06/2008 3:08:54 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: mgist
I almost envy those of you who are so spritiually enlightened.

looking over left shoulder .....
looking over right shoulder .....
.... concluding I misheard.

I am not enlightened. You know that, right? I am a dope. AND I have a wife and child to remind me should I forget.

I'm even more or less okay with being a dope.

God, HE's enlightenment. And, yeah, we do call Baptism "enlightenment". But anyone so "enlightened" is like the moon, reflecting a light that is not his.

But still, it was very kind of you to say such nice things and do pray for a blessing for me. Let us all pray for each other a LOT!

3,616 posted on 06/06/2008 3:09:38 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Alex Murphy
A crowned woman with no throne? Arguing against something due to its omission isn't that strong of an argument.

And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars (Apoc. 12:1).

3,617 posted on 06/06/2008 3:09:51 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: Petronski
VI. There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ.[13] Nor can the Pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that Antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalts himself, in the Church, against Christ and all that is called God.[14]

The American Revision of the Westminster Confession of 1789 removed the "Pope is the Antichrist" reference. Who was right? The authors of the original Confession, those who removed it or neither? Best not to go there.

That's the beauty of a "Reformation" mentality. It's the gift that keeps on giving. Everything is subject to "reform", even as we speak and nothing is set in stone. When a "Confession" or proclamation is found to be unsuitable, no longer politic or inconvenient, there's another mini-Reformation, a new church is born, a new statement of beliefs and principles emerges and life goes on. Perfect!

Why should Luther be the only one who gets to nail his theses to the door?

3,618 posted on 06/06/2008 3:09:51 PM PDT by marshmallow (An infallible Bible is useless without an infallible interpreter)
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To: Petronski

Of course not. When we do it, it’s personal. When you do it it’s not. Why didn’t I know that? Silly me.


3,619 posted on 06/06/2008 3:09:53 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: enat

Well, I believe the Word of God. It was inspired by the Holy Spirit and it’s the truth. Period.


3,620 posted on 06/06/2008 3:10:54 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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