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The Worship of Mary? (An Observation)

Posted on 05/30/2008 10:21:34 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: rollo tomasi

>>read about your first pope<<

Peter? Well he had his faults but Christ trusted him.


3,461 posted on 06/06/2008 10:53:50 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: 1000 silverlings
After I do post the verses to you, I'm met with silence.

You have me confused with someone else, FRiend. You post'em and we'll talk.

Hopefully you are searching the scriptures to see if the things we say are true.

I do, and they aren't.

3,462 posted on 06/06/2008 10:53:53 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
The current pope may try to diminish the title of "co-redeemer" for the moment.

LOL

There is no such Catholic title to diminish.

Likewise, the RCC catechism is thankfully written in black and white...

Yet still is subjected to the grossest distortions imaginable. Here's an example: You posted.

969 Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by ther manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation.

But here is the entirety of 969:

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

You gave no indication you had redacted the paragraph, you just pulled it out of context and posted it.

3,463 posted on 06/06/2008 10:53:57 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Did I misquote the RCC catecism in my excerpt?

Yes, just now.

3,464 posted on 06/06/2008 10:54:38 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary
God alone knows the heart, but some of these fruits are pretty rotten.

Then NAME them, be specific.

3,465 posted on 06/06/2008 10:56:40 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: netmilsmom; Marysecretary; Gamecock; Quix; OLD REGGIE; 1000 silverlings; DungeonMaster; ...
What each of us "know" has really no bearing on the whole thing, does it?

Wrong. What each of us "knows" is everything.

I "know" my faith in Christ is a gift from God. I "know" I am saved by Christ's obedience, Christ's righteousness, Christ's one-time sacrifice on the cross which paid for every one of my sins. I know Christ is the ONLY redeemer.

Like Paul, I "know whom I have believed" because God has graciously, freely, mercifully regenerated my dead heart and renewed my wandering mind to focus on Christ alone risen from the cross.

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." -- Titus 3:5-7

What you "know" is something else altogether.

3,466 posted on 06/06/2008 10:58:00 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix

“distractions, diversions, clutter in the picture . . .

?HELP?”

Which photographs in your collection do you value more: the carefully posed close-ups, or the candid shots which put the subject in context?


3,467 posted on 06/06/2008 10:59:08 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: papertyger
Really? To my comment earlier that Christians have the mind of Christ, as I recall, you claimed that it sounded like Gnosticism to you. I posted this verse

1 Cor 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

And didn't hear from you again.

3,468 posted on 06/06/2008 11:00:48 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: netmilsmom; Mad Dawg; Antoninus; Judith Anne
But I do have to ask, where did you cut and paste that quote from? The one that starts with 969?

Obviously it was posted from a website that heavily redacts the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Or more likely she did that herself. Look at what was redacted:

This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect.

Yep, that's the part that states Mary consented at the Annunciation...definitely impossible in the dark no-free-will Calvinist world of the OPC. Also redacted:

Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."512

Notice that co-redemptrix is NOT listed. Nope, can't post that!


It really is laughable AND sad at the same time.

3,469 posted on 06/06/2008 11:01:08 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: rollo tomasi
What was the Father's will? You know the one Jesus was sent to do in the FIRST place. Not to wow heads at the age of 12 or turn water into wine but to become a sacrifice. You get in the way of the sacrifice you get rebuked like Peter (was rebuked).

You do the opposite of the Father's will you are doing the work of Satan no matter what. You become an adversary to God the Father plain and simple. If my parents would want me to become an adversary against God I would tell them off. Would I be breaking a commandment? The Pharisees and Sadduccess would think so.

Great points you've made in these exchanges.

3,470 posted on 06/06/2008 11:01:45 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; netmilsmom
exactly as when I delete the footnote numbers of any excerpts I post from the Westminster Confession of Faith.

I asked yesterday and have not yet received a response, but why is it that someone who is such a devout adherent to the 16th Century invention called "sola scriptura" so frequently quoting from books other than the Bible?

3,471 posted on 06/06/2008 11:02:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 1000 silverlings
As further evidence, when someone asks you to post the scripture that you claim to be referencing, you refuse.

False. I can't give a verse that doesn't exist, i.e. "show me where the Bible says to pray to Mary."

Other than that, I think your imagination is working overtime.

3,472 posted on 06/06/2008 11:04:16 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

>>Wrong. What each of us “knows” is everything.<<

GREAT! Could you pass along the Powerball numbers for this week?

I’ll split it with you!


3,473 posted on 06/06/2008 11:05:33 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; netmilsmom
But that hasn't stopped Catholics on this forum from saying Mary is on the cross with Christ and helping Him to save His sheep.

Then POST THE LINK, because to make such a blatantly outrageous claim without proof is bearing false witness.

3,474 posted on 06/06/2008 11:05:56 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: papertyger

Well maybe inadvertantly you have just proven that praying to Mary is unbiblical.


3,475 posted on 06/06/2008 11:06:03 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Did you read the link on Unam Sanctum I gave you last night?

Here it is again:

http://www.catholicexchange.com/2007/12/05/91003/

3,476 posted on 06/06/2008 11:06:09 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: wagglebee

>>I asked yesterday and have not yet received a response, but why is it that someone who is such a devout adherent to the 16th Century invention called “sola scriptura” so frequently quoting from books other than the Bible? <<

Hmmmm, a puzzling question.


3,477 posted on 06/06/2008 11:09:46 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: netmilsmom
Peter tried to get in the way of God's will (“Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee”) when Jesus said He was to suffer and die. Jesus called your first "pope" satan (Meaning an adversary of God's will) for doing so. Hence anybody else would have received the same rebuke.

"From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day."

God's will for Jesus was revealed to them after realizing He was Jesus the Christ. Again anyone standing against God's will for Jesus would be an adversary of God. Who would want that?
3,478 posted on 06/06/2008 11:10:33 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

You’re still assuming. Plain and simple.

Peter is not Mary.


3,479 posted on 06/06/2008 11:14:26 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Iron Mom. (but really made from Gold plated titanium))
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To: netmilsmom

It’s always interesting to notice which questions go unanswered.


3,480 posted on 06/06/2008 11:15:49 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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